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FBI probes Halliburton

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by Daisy, Oct 29, 2004.

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  1. Daisy

    Daisy New Member

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    I don't expect much to come of it, but the FBI is investigating how Halliburton got its contracts. They are already investigating reports of overcharges in Iraq by its subsidiary.

    Bunnatine Greenhouse is a senior civilian Army Corp of Engineer officer, so she doesn't count as another Bush defector.
     
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    No doubt there will be some excuses posted here. Only liberals like Michael Moore care about Halliburton, we are told on this Board. :rolleyes:

    It is ironic that the matter is being taken serious and story breaking just before the election. I guess the FBI had other priorities and it is a coincidence about the timing, though.

    Besides, Daisy, don't you know the Washington Times is a mouthpiece for the Conservatives, so why would they run a story like this? Why isn't this picked up by all the rest of the major media. Don't you know the Washington Times is run by the Moonies? Really, Daisy, you should know better! [/sarcasm]

    I predict this thread will soon die and be relegated to the dustbin of liberal allegations along with Michael Moore. :rolleyes:
     
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  3. Pennsylvania Jim

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    Thi$ inve$tigation will mo$t likely not re$ult in any $olid conclu$ion$.
     
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    Really, Daisy, it's called "capitalism." Get a grip! [​IMG] [/sarcasm]
     
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    Bunnatine Greenhouse is a senior civilian Army Corp of Engineer officer, so she doesn't count as another Bush defector. </font>[/QUOTE]I think the only solution that will satisfy the "Coalition Against Bush" is to put Halliburton out of business.

    But then who will do their work for them if or when they get back in office?

    It reminds me of something overheard at the first Clinton swearing in after 12 years of Reagan and Bush. The Democrats had fought the military tooth and nail for all those years. So they're all standing around during the ceremony and the military does a fly over. One of the Democrats looked up and was heard to say with scorn in his voice "What are they doing here?" The guy standing next to him told him to calm down saying "Its alright, those are our planes now."
     
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  6. Daisy

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    LadyEagle, That's why I chose Washington Times even though it was the Washington Post that broke the story (the Times credits the Post), because some people automatically dismiss any source other than their particular favorite. (I forgot to check World News Daily & NewsMax)
     
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  7. Daisy

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    The CAB is undecided, but the Coalition Against Cheney might agree.

    Are there no competitors of Haliburton? Having only one supplier is a recipe for price gouging. Haliburton would need a far larger scandal than this to endanger it as a company. Most likely, it will merely be fined if any wrongdoing can be proven against it. However, the person or people responsible for giving the sweetheart deals, if proven, should be dealt with appropriately.

    That sounds like a silly, made-up story, told by Republicans who need to reassure themselves that only they can be trusted.
     
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    Actually one and the same. They all seem to consider business as the enemy. And when the coalition puts them all out of business who will the people work for?

    No. They are the only company capable of taking on jobs of that magnitude.

    I don't know if its made up or not but I heard about it within a day of Clinton taking office. It probably actually did happen.

    It sure illustrates the thinking of at least the most rabid democrats.
     
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  9. Daisy

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    Actually not, although there is certainly overlap. The CAB is appalled by Bush's glaring incompetence and total unfitness for "world leader" whereas the CAC sees Cheney as shrewd, greedy and evil.
    No, that's a different coalition altogether. Nevertheless, you don't have to be anti-business to be anti-government corruption and anti-theft.

    The government! themselves, the big companies' replacements, small business...there are options.

    How about Science Applications International Corporation and Betchel? Being too dependent on a single contractor is bad public policy.

    And if what you contend were true, why not award the contract openly and according to current law and regulations?

    For those interested in the Cheney-Halliburton-Iraq story, the New Yorker (link) has a fairly in-depth article written in February 2004.

    It illustrates the attitude of the teller more than the supposedly told-on.
     
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    Is a subsidiary directly controlled by the parent company?

    Sometimes yes, sometimes, no. More often not because one reason for spinning off a subsidiary is to get them away from the core business...

    Secondly, a prime contractor is not under the same constraints to let bids as 'openly' as the government is...

    Especially if the sub-contractor is a subsidiary...

    Further we are not given enough information to judge for ourselves what actually happened...

    'Unique Attributes' 'Justify the Award' and What the contract was for...

    Lastly, was this person actually 'hands-on' and intimate with the contract details?

    What I want to see is **ALL** of john kerry's military record... Especially what his original discharge was...
     
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    There are plenty of people, Michael Moore included, who wil attempt to tie any issues with Halliburton to the VP. This despite the fact that the VP has not been in the employ of Halliburton since being VP.
     
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    ME, TOO!!!!! But for some reason he refuses and will not say why. It will remain a mystery.
     
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  13. Daisy

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    Isn't he still getting stock options from them? He was after he became VP, but I don't know what the current status of that is.
     
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    If I were the CEOs of Haliburtton, I'd say, "OK, then, y'all figure it out on your own." and walk off. No other company has the resources or expertise to do the work.

    Then daisy will whine that the job isn't being done...
     
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  16. Daisy

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    Tragic, insults are not arguments and personal comments are uncivil.
     
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    I haven't researched all the links devoted to this story, but I wonder what, if any, ties to the money Clinton gave Haliburton will pop up.
     
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  20. Daisy

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    There was some reference in the New Yorker piece to contracts Halliburton received during the Clinton administration. I don't think Clinton personally got or gave money to Halliburton, but if you have any info on that, please post it.
     
    #20 Daisy, Oct 30, 2004
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