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Featured Fermented and Unfermented Wine

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by steaver, May 21, 2012.

  1. webdog

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    If you are comparing wines of today with wines of the first century then you are very naive. They aren't the same. They didn't have the same high-tech equipment. Their wine wasn't even close. The article uses exact quotes from historical sources. You have used your opinion.
     
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    I don't drink and I don't think God would give a thumbs up to drinking...

    However, I have come to the conclusion that this issue is secondary and we don't do one iotta of good fighting about it.

    People are dying and going to Hell every hour of everyday but we, as Christians sit back and fight amongst each other on this issue as well as many other secondary issues that DO NOT affect salvation.

    Just my 2 cents...
     
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    There are wineries today that employ the exact same ancient techniques. One such site was just referenced on the other thread where no additional yeast was added.
     
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    Exact same techniques? Exact environment? Exact temperatures?

    Probably not.
     
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    Split hairs much?
     
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    Don't have to.

    One cannot say it was the same if temperatures and environment were different.
     
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    ...and one cannot say it is not, since you also don't know.
     
  9. Steadfast Fred

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    Sure one can say they are not the same if their is any deviation.

    To say that they are the same even though temperature and environment were different would be tantamount to saying a nickel is a quarter even though one is of greater value than the other.
     
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    But wine isn't wine guys, remember? It doesn't matter how wine is made because it's all non- alcoholic! ;) Why are you arguing about how wine is made? It's juice squeezed from the fruit according to y'all!
     
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    My point is you don't KNOW there is any deviation. You are merely assuming there is.
     
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    One only need go to weather reports and environmental reports to see there is a difference in the geographical locations.
     
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    I have a friend who went there a couple years back and the temperature is much hotter there than it is here.
     
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    Exactly, just look at the moonshiners (I know we’re talking about wine and not liquor) they employ the same simple technique that’s been around for centuries and it’s the same with wine making…the only difference in today’s modern world is that several government agencies have their hands in the business dictating how and by what method the alcohol is the be brewed…
     
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    AMEN. And good to see you on the board; it's been a while.
     
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    The Bible mentions liquor and hard drink as well.
    Just down the street, a mile or two, is a multi million dollar facility, Molson's Brewery, that puts out tons of beer daily. Please don't tell me they had the comparable in that day and age. The alcoholic beverages of this era are nowhere near what they are in that time. Let me quote again:
    http://www.travelnet.co.il/israel/Wine.htm#TITLE20

    Yep! Exactly the same quality as today! :sleep:
     
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    Whether or not wine was different, it was still wine.

    Jesus drank it. God encourages men to drink it.

    Pretty plain to me. Drink it, but don't get drunk. You abuse it, and it is the same sin as gluttony. Food and drink are not a sin, but abusing them is. Funny how a bunch of obese Baptist pastors can stand in their respective pulpits and pick on the drunkards, since both sins are the same accoording to God's holy word...
     
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    Since the obesity rate in America now stands at 35.7% (more than one in three), I doubt it is just Baptist pastors that are facing that problem.
     
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    It is good to contend for the faith. You came on and gave your beliefs about it, but then you put down replying back and forth.

    All truth is important. It is good to try to be like-minded.
    It is good to correct people, just listen to the blasphemy of those who say the Bible does not mean wine that has alcohol in it. They say many horrible things about Jesus, that he would be a sinner if he turned water into real wine, or drank real wine himself.
    How you think that is secondary is just not right.
     
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    I agree with what you say here.
     
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