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Final Authority

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by robycop3, May 16, 2004.

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  1. Bartholomew

    Bartholomew New Member

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    Sorry - what is the Byzantine text? Are you saying it is published or it is not? :confused:
     
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  2. skanwmatos

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    Asked and answered:
    Yes.</font>[/QUOTE]What part of "yes" did you find ambiguous?
     
    #62 skanwmatos, May 20, 2004
  3. Bartholomew

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    Skan, you said:
    Since you said Stephen's text has errors because it is printed, I did not understand why you then claimed the Byzantine text had no errors, even though you said it was printed, too. That is why I wasn't sure whether you were really saying it was printed or not.

    I am still confused. Why do you think that Stephen's text has errors, and not this "Byzantine text"? Actually, what IS this "Byzantine text"? Who compiled it and published it? When did it happen? :confused:
     
    #63 Bartholomew, May 21, 2004
  4. skanwmatos

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    The Byzantine text was inspired by God and copied and circulated by the early eastern churches.

    It has been printed and published by many persons down through the ages of church history the most recent being Professors Robinson and Pierpont, and yes, the modern printings contain some printers errors, just as the TR and KJV do. But by referring back to the Providentially preserved manuscripts those errors can easily be identified and corrected. The Byzantine text itself, as the word of God, remains inspired, infallible, and preserved.
     
    #64 skanwmatos, May 21, 2004
  5. Bartholomew

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    Thanks, Skan. Is the Byzantine text the same as the TR? What do you think of Hank's position - that the best edition of the TR is Stephen's?
     
    #65 Bartholomew, May 21, 2004
  6. skanwmatos

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    &lt;sigh&gt; No.
    That is his opinion and he is entitled to hold it, and I respect it even if I disagree.
     
    #66 skanwmatos, May 21, 2004
  7. Bartholomew

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    What's the difference between the Byzantine and the TR? What do you think is the best edition of the Byzantine text?
     
    #67 Bartholomew, May 21, 2004
  8. Anti-Alexandrian

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    The TR is from the Byzantine family of MSS...

    Look @ Acts 13:49;The word of God hails from that area;read the whole chapter...No mention of the word of God coming from Alexandria..
     
    #68 Anti-Alexandrian, May 21, 2004
  9. HankD

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    Your question is beyond the scope of what can be realistically covered here on the BB.

    To do justice to your inquiry, might I suggest a book: The Traditional Text of the Holy Gospels by John Burgon.

    It is well worth the price of $16.00 and should launch you off on a rewarding adventure.

    http://www.biblefortoday.org/DBS/DBS_publications.asp

    HankD
     
    #69 HankD, May 21, 2004
  10. Trotter

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    The Robinson/Pierpont Byzantine Greek New Testament is available as a free download from E-sword.

    E-sword Bible Page

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
    #70 Trotter, May 22, 2004
  11. robycop3

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    I see Slambo has gone silent. For now, I'll assume he's busy.

    Will has been posting in Yahoo, and going on with his "You have no final authority" mantra to anyone who doesn't agree with his KJVO myth. I reckon he's hoping this thread will die because there's a LOT more opposition on this board to his myth than there generally is in the Yahoo groups.

    I wonder if he would like to try to PROVE I and others who don't buy the KJVO myth have no F.A?
     
    #71 robycop3, May 23, 2004
  12. Lacy Evans

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    Just a casual reading of this thread reveals very clearly exactly who each of your final authorities are. Clear as crystal.

    Lacy
     
    #72 Lacy Evans, May 27, 2004
  13. Trotter

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    My final authority rests in the word of God.

    Which one, you may ask. That's easy. All of the above.

    I do not hold to the man-made notion the one single translation is the sole recepitcle of the truth of God. God is too big for that.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
    #73 Trotter, May 27, 2004
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    Amen, Brother Trotter -- Preach it! [​IMG]
     
    #74 Ed Edwards, May 27, 2004
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    Lacy Evans:Just a casual reading of this thread reveals very clearly exactly who each of your final authorities are. Clear as crystal.

    Right. Some are very limited, & try to LIMIT GOD, defining the final authority to suit their theory while others use much more of what God has made available.
     
    #75 robycop3, May 28, 2004
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    My final authority is scripture and the principles it teaches for evaluating providentially revealed facts.

    It is KJVOnlyism that decides what the conclusion is then contorts or distorts both the historical facts and relevant scriptures to derive "proof."
     
    #76 Scott J, May 28, 2004
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    [​IMG] :D
     
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  18. robycop3

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    I've read that book, and also Burgon's Revision revised.

    The KJVOs ignore where Burgon says the Textus Receptus could stand a thorough revision.

    Be warned, sports fans: Burgon's books have little to no entertainment value. And remember that he, like KJ & the AV translators, was an ANGLICAN.
     
    #78 robycop3, May 29, 2004
  19. robycop3

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    Originally posted by robycop3:
    No, it's a versional rendering. It SHOULD read, [ACCORDING TO ROBYCOP3] "along with His name".


    Lacy Evans:Again, thank you for your sucinct example of a typical MVer's Bible study techniques.

    Correct is correct. Please show us why it should read "above" rather than "along with". A Jewish friend told me the Hebrew here is 'gadal(magnify) imrah(the Torah, God's word)shem'(name) without any word for "above". Perhaps someone here proficient in Hebrew can clarify.


    I'm sorry guys. I just can't go there. If it says it, I believe it.

    Even if it's proven it aint right?

    If it doesn't make sense, I study by comparing scripture with scripture.

    Where else is God's word placed above His name? A Commandment is, "You shall not take God's NAME(not word) in vain".

    "No doctrine is affected!" (Except the ones I want to be affected.)

    Lacy Evans:

    (even if the KJV's rendering isn't the best possible, or there's a doctrine showing KJVO to be a myth)

    We still haven't gotten down to brass tacks. I say that my ULTIMATE final authority is GOD THE FATHER, my PENultimate authority is GOD THE SON, as that is the command of God The Father, who's given all authority for now to His Son Jesus. and my PRESENT final authority - the authority which I obey to the best of my ability - is His WRITTEN WORD, in the various versions God has made available for me.

    This is roughly in the same thread as the cop. In the absence of his superior, the chief of police, OR HIS ULTIMATE EARTHLY AUTHORITY, THE PRESIDENT, the cop follows the WRITTEN LAW of the nation, the state, and his local bailiwick. Thus, we are to follow the written word until Jesus returns to assume personal control.

    What it boils down to is this: The KJVO statement, "You have no final authority", to a non-KJVO is a lie. Not a mistake or a wrong assumption, but an outright lie. To have made it the truth, the KJVO must have proven that the KJV was the ONLY valid BV there is, and we've all seen how they've fallen flat on their faces while attempting to do that. So tell us, O KJVOs, who, or what, is YOUR final authority? The KJV? If so, can you prove the KJV is "THE" final authority? So far, ya aint done so hot.

    In the meantime, the KJVO "You have no final authority" stands as a deliberate LIE.
     
    #79 robycop3, Jun 2, 2004
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