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For My KJV Brothers & Sisters: List of KJV Churches

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by LadyEagle, Feb 19, 2004.

  1. Elaine

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    It seems to me most people misunderstand the stand of the KJV only. It is not that it's the only one for all nations but for English speaking people. There is no other (Englis)Bible that has been taken from copies of the original(which Jews took great care in copying). The Alexanderian (this being from pagans in Alexandria, Egypt) and Vaticainen are not the originals nor copies of the original.

    As for other countries I have no idea, it's the responsibility of each person to know if what they are being led with is really God's word.
     
  2. Precepts

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    Discernment rooted in the wisdom of God, not esp, you oughta claim James 1:5 sometime and put it to rest in God's Hands.
     
  3. Precepts

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    Get real, Craig, our KJB tells us the earth is round. Bible deniers had to wait until 1492 to find out from Christopher Columbus came back to Spain with the news it wasn't flat. Since they wouldn't believe the Bible, they could have at least believed Magellen.

    Oh, when were you 4 of 5 years old ? Is that really possible? Maybe you learned that at Stanford? Princeton? Does it take 195 IQ to figure it out, mine only registers 135.
     
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    I find this list interesting. There is not a church in our city and only 2 within a hundred miles.
     
  5. Precepts

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    Maybe you and Ed ought to start one?
     
  6. Pastor Larry

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    Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,

    I agree with many points in that statement of faith, and I love the website you recommended Lady Eagle! However I do disagree with a couple of things in that statement of faith. The main one being this:
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    By this we mean that the Authorized Version preserves the very words of God in the form in which He wished them to be represented in the universal language of these last days: English.
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    I disagree that "God wished them to be represented in the universal language of these last days: English" There is nothing in the Bible that confirms this belief, and therefore how could one know what God wished in this respect? I believe that the word of God is preserved for people of all languages, and that the KJV is an accurate and reliable translation of it for the English speaking people. Those who do not speak the english language I trust and have faith that God has made available an accurate translation of his preserved word available to them also in their own language, and that they would all agree (have the same underlying majority texts - received texts)one with the other if it God's word.

    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  8. Elaine

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    Pastor Larry,

    Research is how I know. The second half of my quote is a little missed typed. I was trying to say that the Alexandrian and the Vaticainen (apologize for any misspelling) are not copies of the books of Moses, the Prophets, etc. The Alexcandrian specificly is from Alexandria, Egypt and I can tell you more about the two men who wrote it if you like. All the English Versions except the KJV is from either these two text or someone writing what they think the bible means (The Living Bible).
     
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  10. Pastor Larry

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    Then you should do some more research, and include some logic along with your study. Here is what I mean: You claim that they are copies of the originals, but without the originals that is an unproveable claim.

    Furthermore, the text the KJV was translated from was revised many many times ... which of those revision is the correct copy of the originals?

    Neither is the TR from which the KJV was translated.

    If you know the "two meen" who wrote the Alexandrian manuscripts, then you are indeed very smart ... because the Alexandrian manuscripts are not one, and they were not written by "two men." The Alexandrian manuscripts are copies of the writings of a number of men, all inpsired by the Holy Spirit. We usually call it the Holy Spirit. The Alexandrian manuscripts are copies of what God inspired. They were not "written by two men."

    This is incorrect as well. THere are English versions other than the KJV that are translated from the TR.

    Your research is inadequate. Hang aroudn for a while and do some listening. We can help you work through these misconceptions.
     
  11. robycop3

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    Elaine: "Research is how I know. The second half of my quote is a little missed typed. I was trying to say that the Alexandrian and the Vaticainen (apologize for any misspelling) are not copies of the books of Moses, the Prophets, etc."

    How do you KNOW?? Moses spent the first 40 years of his life in Egypt. Yeah, I know Alexandria didn't exist then, but...


    "The Alexcandrian specificly is from Alexandria, Egypt and I can tell you more about the two men who wrote it if you like. All the English Versions except the KJV is from either these two text or someone writing what they think the bible means (The Living Bible)."

    If you mean Westcott and Hort, the mss they used were far older than they. They didn't write them; they COLLATED them. As for Alexandria, the famous preacher Apollos was from there, and I'm sure he wasn't the only one, as he had to learn about God from someone...

    If you claim to be KJVO, by whose authority are you so? And, by whose authority do you tell us WE should be?
     
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    Why throw your faith out the window becuase of truth?? That is confusing to me. The fact that we don't have exact copies of the originals does not affect my faith in any way. Nor should it affect yours. You should rejoice in the providence of God that gives us the Bible in our own language.
     
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    I am interested if Pastor Larry is not. In fact, if you can document the names of "the two men" who wrote the Alexandrian mss... I'd like to go into business with you- that would be a piece of biblical archeology worth millions.
    Nope. Most MV's are based on either Nestle-Alands or United Bible Society text for the NT. Neither of these uses only two manuscripts. In fact, they use several thousand times more evidences for the original autographs than Erasmus used to collate the Textus Receptus.

    BTW, the LITV, NKJV, MKJV, and several other modern translations come from the same text as the KJV.
     
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    I don't believe anyone is "telling" you to be KJVO, it's not a preference Cranston, it's a conviction.
     
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    Why throw your faith out the window becuase of truth?? That is confusing to me. The fact that we don't have exact copies of the originals does not affect my faith in any way. Nor should it affect yours. You should rejoice in the providence of God that gives us the Bible in our own language. </font>[/QUOTE]I do rejoice in the fact the Sovereignty of God has given us His unadulterated Word in the King James Bible, I was making your statement look silly as it suggested we should forget our KJB and embrace error.
     
  16. Scott J

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    Faith that is held in direct contradiction to concrete, objective fact... is called superstition.

    No, Satan wanted Eve to ignore what God said and follow her own ideas. We are ignoring what you and others like you say. God never established KJVOnlyism- men did. In fact, whether you acknowledge it or not, the scriptures give clear examples that more than one version is acceptable. The history of the Bible and Christianity validates this example.
     
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    So are we now left to deduce all the errors of the "NA" and the "UBS"? :rolleyes:
     
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    Faith that is held in direct contradiction to concrete, objective fact... is called superstition.

    No, Satan wanted Eve to ignore what God said and follow her own ideas. We are ignoring what you and others like you say. God never established KJVOnlyism- men did. In fact, whether you acknowledge it or not, the scriptures give clear examples that more than one version is acceptable. The history of the Bible and Christianity validates this example.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Again the influence of the vatican protrudes! How is "history" of the malicious and arrogant "church" has somehow usurped authority from God?

    Yall established "KJVO", yall are men. We just believe the Bible.
     
  19. Scott J

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    Faith that is held in direct contradiction to concrete, objective fact... is called superstition.

    No, Satan wanted Eve to ignore what God said and follow her own ideas. We are ignoring what you and others like you say. God never established KJVOnlyism- men did. In fact, whether you acknowledge it or not, the scriptures give clear examples that more than one version is acceptable. The history of the Bible and Christianity validates this example.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Again the influence of the vatican protrudes! How is "history" of the malicious and arrogant "church" has somehow usurped authority from God?</font>[/QUOTE]
    I never said anything about the RCC... if you want to play the guilt by association game then you have to face the indisputable FACT that the TR originated with one scholar- An unrepentant, Pope-honoring, Roman Catholic scholar. You also have to face the fact that the evidence he employed was likewise gleaned from RCC sources.

    The only person usurping the authority of God is you. You are speaking for God in direct contradiction to the example He gave as well as His providential will as revealed in history.

    I am sure it makes you feel better to say that but it is untrue. KJVO is a description of people who believe what you believe. You do not however "just believe the Bible". The Bible does not establish what you believe about versions... that proceeds from the carnal mind of men- probably under influence by Satan.
     
  20. Orvie

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    1/2 truth=whole lie. The KJVO(kjbo) in its current form was began not by a Baptist, but the sect dates to the SDA Wilkinson's book written in 1930. Yes, the belief in KJVO predates 1930, this is the simple truth. But it's current worship started in 1930, and the plague grew especially in the 1970's and 80's...therefore to say, "Yall established, "KJVO"' is simply not true.
    Precepts-"We just believe the Bible" congratulations, you are now like the rest of us! i.e. the KJV is the Bible, as is the NKJV, ESV, NIV,NASV, etc.
     
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