For those Harry Potter lovers - Did you know ??

Just an updated report:

For those of you who think Rowlings is merely trying to get christians proverbial goat by stating Dumbledore is gay and that it was not something pre-planned and already set in the writters own thoughts as she told her story is outside her own words. Please re-read the articles set forth in the thread. She is not ONLY NOW deciding Dumbledore is gay but had intended it from the outset - thus her words - "it is a prolonged argument for tolerence".

And as I said previously, this isn't specifically about him being gay but the authors attitude toward christians and her push for tolerance relating to unbiblical lifestyle and bring such drivel into the minds of her readers (mostly kids) of which many were already wondering if he was gay.

 

Not true. The only person to do magic in the Snow White is the witch, the dwarves are not considered magical people but living in an enchanted forest.
The other is more aptly applied.

The majority of the people who use magic do not think they do so either because they believe it is something that is innate in all of us. Very few call upon demons in the understanding you assert. And not many call on any spirits but 'cast spells' via their internal power along with various other things such as making potions, reading the future through crystal balls, tea leaves, reading runes, the stars. And if, as you say, you read the books much of this should sound familar does it not?

First, your version of Batman training Robin DOES NOT coincide with the training these witches and wizards get. Batman does not teach Robin incantations, proper wording for casting spells, potion making. The children in these books are learning to use their mystical powers in CONJUCTION with the mystic arts of witchcraft. Thus their need to learn how to 'cast' spells and make potions to do things which they can not do of their own. Thus it is not all innate ability but outside power for somewhere as well.

Yes, she did.

But as you stated, you are reasonably well educated, is the key. You have already determind in your own mind things you will accept and others you will reject and then some grey areas that make no real difference. You were reading it for what you wanted to get out of it based on your preconcieved beliefs as to what you will entertain and not. Yet those who do not have your mind DID see (where you did not) an odd behavior in Dumbledore which went beyond the mysteriously obscure and to them seemed to be based on something a more real. But what you ALL are forgetting is that they WERE RIGHT. It IS and was to be alluded to in a shadowy way - on purpose. Who would have read her books if they blantatly espoused a gay Wizard headmaster. But this way you have even those who would NOT have read it if it was so blatant arguing FOR reading it now. THAT is what gets me.

Children/youth do not have the truths established in them so as they read they are more prone to seeing what others over look because it is not what they want to see in their readings. They absorb it all, where as you did not. Just because you did not see it, does not mean it was not there nor that it was not the authors intent to keep it at the edges of sight, to be revealed in due time. It was a brillant stratigy by her to reveal it after everyone fell in love with one of its leading charactors so as to have a strong base of support when he 'came out of the closet' giving strong ground for people to still encourage others to read her books nonetheless, regardless of beliefs, they enjoyed them.

Here is your biggest issue. You think that because you didn't pick up on, it must not be there REGARDLESS of the author stating it is and that it is true. The other authors did not superintend their charactors any such thing. But those who have to much time on their hands were not concocting this out of thin air but based on the writtings of the writter who CONFIRMS IT.

And I would not recommend them for teenagers either.
I have been counseling a group of 8 boys (all teen years) who have gotten into various forms of witchcraft due to these books 'specifically' and it has destroyed their friendships and families. Yet these young men ALL are believers (at least as far as I -as a man- can tell). THEY want to change and get back to what is right but it has a VERY strong hold on them much like pornography does on some. In such a manner some will sneak off to read the books, play the games at friends houses, and or rent the movies to get their fix. Here is the kicker - their parents saw nothing wrong with it and thought their children wouldn't be affected by it such a great novel.

I said this earlier and it is worth repeating (IMO):
"You read fictional books to vicariously experience what you are reading, period. If you are reading fanticy sex novels it does not necessitate your are reading for the sex any more than if you read Harry Potter you are doing to learn magic. Yet you are reading to be apart of that which you read. So if one glorifies magic and the other glorifies sex, which is more sinful? Niether. The point I'm making is not that a book can not contain magic (the bible does!) but how it is conveyed to its readers regarding the truth of the matter. If the scriptures are supposed to be our standard for life and doctrine does this NOT include our entertainment as well. Not everything has to say 'God' or 'Jesus' in it, but do even the 'good' stories convey the truths were are supposed to hold so dear and in the same manner show sin for what it is. As I said previously, it is for adults choose to read various books but to do so with a firm understanding of truth. So why do we give something like this to our children up through the teens who are JUST beginning to grasp the truth for themselves."

Batman has not magical nor special powers - his is all technology and fighting skill.
Spiderman was genetically changed via science and does not have special magical powers. His are many of a spiders abililty now ingrained with his human side. The are not comparable.
Shakespear must be read due to it being considered a literary work which in necessary for accidemics in school but we are not talking accidemics but personal entertainment.

To this I do agree, but with an added caution regarding children and youth who are just beginning to grasp the truth.
However, if our children and youth have grasped truth as fully as we presume they have, then why do most reject it shortly after leaving home and get on their own. It is because it is mom and dads truth, but not yet their own.

 

The truth is we will not be on the same page regarding many things though we may see many things the same way.

I don't tell people to often what they can't do (and usually it is if they ask), but I do try to bring to bare what they should not do. People and Christians can do what they want to, and it is not wrong to try to pursuade to rethink what they are doing. But it does become wrong when we tell them what they will do and will not do.

 

THIS is what I mean:
Clear good and evil is a misnomer.

Witchcraft in scripture is considered evil, so how can you have a good magic user (who bibically is considered evil) verses a evil magic user (who is biblically considered evil). The only way possible is to remove the evil inherent in and of magic and set the parameters of evil to only to the reason an action is done. THIS makes for a HUGE grey area because a thing done is only evil or good reletive to others opinions.

Thus it would be no different to have a good murderer against a bad murderer, or good gay against a bad gay, or a good thief against a bad theif.

Evil or bad is such because it goes against the nature, commands, and being of God, NOT because of our intent in doing a thing.

And that is what many books are doing now. Removing any truth regarding issue by making the cliam magic has no intrensic evil or bad value, but is only so for reason it was used. (as if it were no different than a knife). Yet scripture does not call a knife sin nor equate rebellion to a knife. God does not say the attitude we have when using witchcraft is evil but the very nature of witchcraft itself is evil and sinful.

BUT - That is My Opinion.

 

THAT is a load of bull, and spoken from true ignorance.
As one who has studied it before getting saved, and knowing many others in it and who have come from it, NOT TO MENTION scripture speaking of it, as well as it's explict forbidance of it's usage in any form upon penalty of death in the OT. I can say with certainty, witchcraft IS very real.

 

So the bible is a book with superstitions, myths and lies set through out it?