Forcibly Removing All the Tulips at SWBTS

This couldn't be more wrong. Not even Jesus was trusted or thought to be trust worthy by all. Just because someone is not trusted does not mean there is validity to the mistrust. Many things get exaggerated or misrepresented as has been done with Dr. Patterson.

 

For some really unvarnished acrimony, check out the 'Bible Versions' Forum. :tonofbricks: :tear:

Ed

 

Fire those who do not agree with me ... call them Calvnist, non-Calvinist, Liberal, Conservative, Fundamentalist, etc., etc. It is the same cut of cloth.

 

I posted there a couple times. Some of the discussion was beyond me but the acrimony was not.

 

Really? Did the truth come out about the accusations of Jesus? NO they don't always come out. And can do some unnecessary damage in the mean while. Discipleship and Pastor qualifications are not the object of this thread.

 

You really need to be careful assigning emotion to others. It is very difficult to discern such on a forum in most cases. I am in fact not angry at all.

If you wil go back and read my initial response to your op the claim by Burleson has been debunked. There was no staff meeting to plot the ousting of our reformed brothers. Burleson's response to the refutation of his allegations is that rather than to continue the assertion of the meeting he exposed it so it must have stopped it from moving any further.

I know not what facts you missed. You have a habit of overlooking points made only to move on to unrelated pastoral qualifications or the need to make disciples.

 

Interesting how within several years the faculty of SWBTS went from having several female faculty members in theology faculty to having none...and "women's programs" don't count.

One person no one is talking about is Dr. Karen Bullock and what happened to her. While I was at SWBTS we saw our faithful (and really good) female faculty members removed and attempts to have them swept under the carpet.

The only two departments having female faculty are educational ministry and music...and those wonderful members have been primarily protected by tenure.

What happens at SWBTS anymore is out of the hands of alumni and students. It is the way things are.

However, it saddens me the most that so many things are being overlooked to make way for a such a gaudy monstrousity of an unneeded chapel. In a time when we need to be taking Christianity to the edges of the earth and the fringes of our community the leadership has decided that they need to centralize and build a golden calf.

Priorities are all out of whack. The school is suffering.

 

The issue at Southern was biblical doctrine and the founding documents of the school. When people do not teach the Bible at a theological seminary, they should be fired. When people sign their names to the governing documents and then deny them, they should be fired.

 

Are you claiming that Molly Marshall did not teach the Bible at Southern?"

 

I am not claiming anything about anyone specific. I don't know the facts about anyone in particular.

I did a quick google search on "Molly Marshall Southern" and found out that Dr. Marshall indeed did not teach the Bible. She is a woman pastor, something that the Bible explicitly forbids. Here is an article. You can find others as well.

Here is another quote about Dr. Marshall: Molly Marshall was an advocate of women in the office of pastor, she denied the exclusivity of Jesus Christ (the teaching that Jesus is the only way to heaven), she held to views that condoned homosexuality, and she believed in post-mortem opportunities of salvation. Needless to say, she was teaching in clear contradiction to multiple points of the Abstract of Principles which is a theological statement taken from the Word of God. Molly Marshall and other faculty members resigned.

 

That is a fascinating idea. However, I have to wonder about its biblical basis. I read 1 Tim 3 and Titus 1, both well known passages about the qualifications for pastor, and I don't see anything about "proven leadership."

 

Again I posted the facts that have been investigated by more than one. Read my post. The qualifications of a pastor are irrelevant to this thread and proven leadership is not one of those. And those who mistrust any leadership at this point are those who disagree with their positions and are trying to make something diabolical out of nothing.

 

Fire for cause or for no cause, whichever it really doesn't matter. These seminaries stopped being relevant the moment Mohler and Patterson where considered to be the best choice to lead Southern and Southeastern, now Southwestern. I hope they do (and it looking like they won't disappoint) what fundamentalists do best, fight each other until there is nothing left to fight over!

 

I don't consider Dr. Mohler a fundamentalist. And I certainly don't see him fighting Dr. Patterson, or anybody else in the SBC.

 

This is a curious statement which leads to some questions:

What do you mean by relevant?
Who gets to decide that and by what standard do they judge?
How did they stop being relevant?