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Four Brilliant, Gutsy Minutes

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. KenH

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    The liberial biased media, the conserative biased media, the Democrats and the Republicans believe speaking the truth is a nutty thing to do but Ron Paul has the guts to say what should be said in these times. Ron Paul stands out as a true Patriot unlike the flip floppers of the Democrats and Repulicans.
     
  3. JustChristian

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    This was an outstanding speech. I've long been concerned that the American people seem to be willing to give up their freedom to the Neo-Con dominated administration to achieve safety from the terrorists. Ben Franklin said that making this trade-off brought about losing both.

    This was a perfect enemy because they never had to assemble an army, Navy, or Air Force, just make menacing statements and occasionally use a small number of suicide bombers for an attack.
     
  4. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    Without saftey there is no freedom.
     
  5. JustChristian

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    Without freedom what does America stand for?
     
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    Hoiw can there be freedom is there is no safety. The suggestion that anyone is working against freedom is sensationalistic at best.
     
  7. KenH

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    Yes. I am afraid that there are even Christians who would be willing to have a dictatorship as long as the dictator promised them "security".
     
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    It's coming:

    Isaiah 9:6-7 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this.
     
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    What I do see is alot of irrational fears based on nothing.
     
  10. KenH

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    This thread is not discussing the conditions in the new heavens and earth but rather on this present earth.
     
  11. Bro. James Reed

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    Irrational fears is exactly what Ron Paul is speaking against.

    You keep saying "safety, safety", so I think you are the one with the irrational fear.

    We knew before 9/11 that people in the world hated us. We knew they had blown up our embassies and shot at our military overseas, yet Americans in general did not have the "safety, safety" chant that you have.

    I want safety too, but I also want freedom. There is a point where the line must be drawn. The the point and the line are spelled out in our Constitution.

    I suppose the best safety we could have is for the police to just arbitrarily invade peoples' homes to see what we're hiding. Would that be acceptable to you in the name of safety? You talk about us having irrational fears, but the more people push for a bigger, more watchful government, the more we're becoming like the "irrational fear" that you ridicule.

    If you are wanting absolute safety, you better just pray for death, because that's the only way you, or anyone, is going to be completely free from harm.

    If safety was always the only concern, we wouldn't have any police, military, firemen, or anything like that. Those are dangerous jobs, and while they try to be safe, there is no question that injury and death are going to happen. Guess what? In a free country, just like in any other place, injury and death are going to happen. We can't all live in padded rooms.

    We have to keep living the way Americans have always lived, pray for God's watchcare over us, and be prepared to fight those who would try to harm us or our families and friends.
     
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    This is the irrational fear of which I speak.
     
  13. Bro. James Reed

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    You're the one with the irrational fear. You're the one calling for safety before liberty.

    I prefer liberty, and if I have to, I can make my own safety.

    The irrational fear belongs to you.
     
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    Btw, Thank you for disregarding the entire rest of my post in order to make no point at all.:thumbs:
     
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    Freedom - good.

    Big, intrusive government - bad.

    :)
     
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