Freewill towards salvation is not Scriptural.

I understand that but what this does mean is man does not have a freewill or choice when it comes to his salvation. I also used the word quicken in Eph. 2:1.

 

This is my personality on these debates. Am I attacking you personnaly?

 

I am a sovereignty of God believer, and not much on man's responsiblity for we are all sinners and it it is God who chooses for a purpose. The word "whosoever" in the Greek is from the Greek word "pas" which means all. Man cannot choose God, god chooses man. God is not calling the whole world now.

Strong's Whosoever 3956 pas (pas);including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole: KJV-- all (manner of, means), alway (-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.

The word "whosoever" in John l5th and l6th verses should be rendered "all"; in the original it is the word usually rendered all throughout the New Testament; it occurs hundreds of times, and it is rendered
"all" in over nine hundred instances, and whosoever in only about forty; the rendering all then is plainly the usual one.

The word rendered "believeth," in the original is a participle, "believing"; the clause should read, "that all, believing in him should not," etc. The words, "believing in him," are explanatory, telling us how "all" are to be saved, viz, by believing in him. In the common version it will be noticed that the participle is, without authority, rendered by the verb "believeth," and the words, "whosoever believeth in him" are thereby made to have a conditional force, as though it read, if they believe in him, implying that some will not believe in him, and hence will perish, and be lost eternally.

 

If this is true then show me where man has a choice; carnal man is "dead in trutpasses and sin" and cannot choose. All he can do is reject.

If God is God is willing; then how yes God is willing. But it is His timing not ours.

 

man does have a choose. After hhe is drawn or quickened.

 

Not all God's Children are God's elect.

 

This is true. But this was not my point.

There is the elect and there is great multitude, which no man could number, all our God’s people. Some before the throne, others on the throne.

There are two types of people in the Book of Revelation; the Elect/Overcomer and everyone else.

All are heir to salvation does not make you the elect.

Notice there is a distinction between the great multitudes BEFORE the throne

(Rev. 7:9) in comparison to the overcomer who Christ will grant to sit with me on my throne (Rev. 3:21) .

Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev. 3: 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 

Who said I do not love my brethem; by allowing my brethen to believe a lie is love?

I thought this was a forum? A place of debate, seeking truth and searching the depths of God's deep and aweome Word?


God's Word is a progressive Word and not based on any man's traditions, creeds or systems.

Truth is harsh and demans overwhelming thought. Of course most drink only the milk of the Word not the meat. Anyone including spiritual babes can drink milk;ilk just slides down our spiritual throat with ease. But meat takes maturity for to spiritual meat you need spiritual teeth to chew on it.

I do not agree with most here so they are offended. I present God's Word in an open debate using scriptures. I do not need to spin these verses around what I believe I base then on what God's Word declares.

 

This is a big statement but what are you saYING? It was God's will that man fell. It was God's will long before there was a sinner their was a savior for the lamb wa slain from the foundation of the earth. Death happened because God willed it, not little Adam