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Future of the UN

Discussion in '2007 Archive' started by saturneptune, Mar 24, 2007.

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  1. Keep the UN as it is since it has been so effective.

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  2. The United States should withdraw and the headquarters should move to another country.

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  3. Dissolve it and depend on bilateral and multilateral alliances.

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  4. Other, please explain in post.

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  1. saturneptune

    saturneptune New Member

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    After reading the thread on the 15 British sailors kidnapped by Iran, there was one posting that mentioned the UN voting tougher sanctions. Considering the history of the UN since 1945, what do you think should happen to the organization?
     
  2. carpro

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    Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US.

    Start another worldwide organization in which only democracies need apply.
     
  3. hillclimber1

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    Amen. no more of these tin horned gangsters from the third world having equal say. It is one of the socialists favorite playground as it is.
     
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  5. Filmproducer

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    The UN has not been completely effective in everything they have ever undertaken, but what multifaceted organization ever has? There is no need for the US to withdraw from the UN. We are still a sovereign nation, not to mention the veto power we hold as a member of the UN Security Council. Like it or not we live in a globalized world. Our economy is intricately linked to that of the global economy, and I highly doubt that will ever change. Besides programs such as UNICEF, WFP, UNFPA, UN-Habitat, and UNHRC are very necessary and resonably effective in accomplishing the goals set for them. Let's not forget the ICJ falls under the UN. Just last month the court found that Serbia was guilty of violating its obligation under the Genocide Convention and further it failed to cooperate with the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia.
     
  6. Filmproducer

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    They don't have an equal say. The US weilds power with its position in the Security Council. A lot of the decisions stemming from the UN directly affect these third world countries you speak of, don't you think they should also have a say in what affects their country? I realize my opinion is not the popular one, but the UN has done some good in the world. Setting international standards for maritime law or airspace, for example.
     
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  7. Terry_Herrington

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    Although it could be improved, I say we keep the UN.
     
  8. Jack Matthews

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    Keep in mind, the UN was formed out of the alliance of the US, the Soviet Union and Great Britain that won the Second World War. It was an alliance of necessity that worked to defeat Nazi Germany and the military dictatorship of Japan. There were tremendous philosophical differences between the U.S., Britain and the Soviets over government and economics. The differences between the U.S. and Britain were monumental, and the British conceded many points, mainly because they knew that without the U.S., they had no chance of survival. The Soviets came to the same realization. The U.S. had to make some tough choices in forging an alliance with Communism in order to defeat Nazism. In so doing, we bowed to the fact that we could not win the war fighting separately, and that we would need the Soviet Union as an ally. Many of the principles upon which the UN was founded came out of that alliance.

    It is by no means a perfect organization. But then, world politics and the general nature of the human population of the planet haven't created a perfect world, either. The inequities of economics and the ravages of history have created movements, philosophies, governments, countries, and personal interests that lead to hatred and discord, and technology has created weapons that can wipe out most of the civilized world in a few minutes. In that the world hasn't yet destroyed itself since the atom bomb, nor that a nuclear weapon hasn't been utilized against a populated target since then, I'd say the UN is most successful.

    There are several countries in the world who owe their present existence and freedom to the UN. South Korea would be one of those. So is Israel. Even though Iran has gone the way of a radical Islamic revolution, it's sovreignty is a result of UN action in 1949. During the war, the country was partitioned by Britain, as part of its Empire, and the Soviet Union, for strategic purposes as an ice-free means of supplying war goods. After the war, the US demanded that both countries leave, and allow the Iranians self-determination. The British snarled and complained, but eventually got out. The Soviets looked like they were planning to stay. The US took the case to the UN, which ordered the Soviets out. They left, only after international pressure was applied.

    The US is truly the world's only remaining superpower. As such, and as the most propserous country in the world, the cost of remaining in the UN is extremely small, compared to the prosperity that we have been able to achieve in the world, and the security that we are able to maintain. We are the biggest beneficiary of what the UN provides, and we have more control over it than any other country, with both a permanent security council vote and veto, and the ability to control the make-up of the body of the UN by passport and visa power. We've used both before.
     
  9. hillclimber1

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    I support complete dissolution, and beginning anew with free people deciding the worlds issues.:cool:
     
  10. Magnetic Poles

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    Of course you do
     
  11. hillclimber1

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    tongue partially in cheek MP.:)
     
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