G.O.P. Platform on Abortion should be more prominent

Monergist, it looks like your thread title is factually incorrect. That's a shame, because the point that you are making is right on the money.

I think that those who control and dominate the GOP cynically use the murder of 3800 babies per day as a campaign prop, selectively unveiled in front of pro-life crowds, and hidden when it is inconvienient, with absolu tely no intention of outlawing abortion.

Too bad that so many Christians are willing to go along with this, just because they fear the Democrats, who would do no different.

 

As opposed to the Democrats whom FIRMLY and DEFINITIVELY support a woman's "right" to murder babies?

What's the point here?

 

Yes, exactly. I wanted to make that point, but you said it better than I could have.

 

"I didn't want you to die, I just stood by and watched and did nothing".

D'ya think that is what Jesus said we should do, when he gave the parable of the Good Samaritan.

 

Monergist, does this title better represent what you wish to state?
Gina

 

There is actually a very big difference. There are many things that I allow that I do not favor. I allow them because reality makes it impossible to change.

Bush's position on exceptions is a bad position without doubt. But I have not heard him advocate people having abortions. I have seen on evidence that he "favors" abortions in any event.

In the interest of honesty and integrity, we must be clear to point out what someone's actual position is; not what we would like to characterize it as.

Case in point: This thead started with a faulty premise. When that premise was shown to be false, the thread starter recommended changing the title and made clear that he did not intend to misrepresent. That was a very good approach to the problem and one that needs to be followed more often.

I agree with Jim that the point of the thread is right on the money. Republicans are not doing nearly enough.

 

That's typical, isn't it..."Bush's position is bad, but I'll defend him on it anyway".

That's what happens when you put a candidate on a pedestal.

 

Would you mind showing where I have ever defended Bush's position on abortion? If not, would you please apologize for misrepresenting what I said?

(HINT: I would encourage you to save the time looking because you won't find me defending his position on abortion. You will in fact find me saying it is wrong and he has not done enough. Just apologize for misrepresenting me and get it over with.)

 

I think everyone's jumping on Pastor Larry for no reason at all. Thomas Jefferson allowed slavery to continue, though he thought slavery was evil (which it is). That doesn't mean he encouraged slavery.

 

The evils of slavery does not even compare to the slaughter of abortion!

 

I disagree. I think they're equally evil. Abortion just happens to be the bandwagon du jour of Christian fundamentalism (to the point where we can't even entertain the idea of stem cell research without someone waving a Right to Life banner in our faces).

 

www.stemcellresearch.org

 

I agree! Every abortion ends in murder and the loss of innocent life. Every slave was not killed, it's not politically correct to say, but many of the slaves were not even abused and mistreated, and some were even educated and evangelized by the slave owners.

 

Yep. Abortion is murder.

 

I think that's a false comparison. Otherwise the rationale would be as follows: if there were fewer elective abortions, and if more slaves had been killed by their owners, then slavery would be worse than abortion. I disagree with that line of thinking. The issue is not the quantity, but the liberty: Every white person was allowed to kill any black they owned. Likewise, every woman today is allowed to have an elective abortion upto the 3rd trimester. Most women don't have abortions, and most slaveowners didn't kill their slaves. The issue is not now many did/do or didn't/don't. The fact is that it is/was equally allowable, hence, equally evil.

Every free person had the potential to kill a slave. The prolife arguement is that every conception has the potential to become a fully formed human being. In that light, one can easily conclude that slavery was as evil as abotion today, yet it was allowed to continue as a "necessary evil" (quoting Jefferson).

Just my $.02

 

That is not true, every white person was NOT allowed to kill any black they owned. There were both white and black slaveowners, and there were laws on the books in most states against abusing or killing slaves.

 

JGrubbs, killing a slave was not considered homicide in slave states. It was generally considered either destruction of property or inhumaine treatment of property (similar to laws governing pet ownership).