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Gender and the Vice Presidency

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Bible-boy, Sep 8, 2008.

  1. Bible-boy

    Bible-boy New Member

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    See the entire article here: http://www.bpnews.net/BPFirstPerson.asp?ID=28848
     
  2. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

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    He brought up Deborah, as did I in another post.

    Sums it up by saying:

    Good article, IMO.
     
  3. larryjf

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    Deborah was a judge, she did not exercise authority over men as far as i can tell.

    And Deborah's response to Barak when we wanted her to go with him was:
    "I will surely go with you. Nevertheless, the road on which you are going will not lead to your glory, for the LORD will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman."

    Notice in Judg 4:4 we are told that she was a prophetess. She was a judge with that as a caveat...so that She judged according to the spirit of prophecy unlike the other male judges.

    The Scriptures are clear that a woman is not to have authority over a man...

    I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
    (1Ti 2:12-14)

    And as can be seen from the context, creation itself is the basis for this distinction, therefore it passes beyond the church walls.

    Another problem with Pallin is that she has a baby who has down syndrome. Certainly her first priority should be to care for her children, especially one with such needs. And the next verse of 1 Tim brings this out as well...

    Yet she will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.
    (1Ti 2:15)

    This "childbearing" is not just birthing children, but also raising them.
     
  4. larryjf

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    I would also point out that Deborah in the book of Judges is descriptive of what happened, while Timothy and its regulation on women is prescriptive.
     
  5. targus

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    Is your belief that a woman should hold no political office?

    Not as Govenor?
    Not as Senator?
    Not as Mayor?

    How about as a police officer?
    Meter reader?

    Is it your belief that a woman with children should not work outside the home?

    Not even as a teacher?
     
  6. larryjf

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    Scripture does NOT tells us that Deborah was raised up by the Lord to be a judge. Yet that is the case with the other major judges:


    Othniel: "When the children of Israel cried out to the LORD, the LORD raised up a deliverer for the children of Israel, who delivered them: Othniel ..." (Judges 3:9).

    Ehud
    : "And when the children of Israel cried out to the LORD, the LORD raised up a deliverer for them: Ehud ..." (Judges 3:15).
    etc., etc.

    Deborah is quite different as we are told:
    Judges 5:7, "until I, Deborah, arose, ... a mother in Israel."

    Ask yourself, why in Judges 4:5 we are told that she sat under a tree to give judgment. Scripture tells us that judgment is to take place in the gates, not under trees (Deut 16:18).
     
  7. larryjf

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    My belief is that the Scriptures are where we get our direction. As such i submit to them in reference to women not holding authority over men. If any of the above jobs give women authority over men then a woman should not hold those positions.

    Correct. When a woman has children she should take care of those children.
     
  8. Bible-boy

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    You can hold whatever view you like. I agree with the complimentarian view as outlined by my friend Nathan Finn, and I agree it is a good article well supported by the Scripture.:thumbs:
     
  9. larryjf

    larryjf New Member

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    How benevolent of you. I will also give you permission to hold whatever view you like.
    :D
     
  10. LadyEagle

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    Wow, misogyny seems to be alive and well on the BB.
     
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