Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning - A Different Perspective

2Pillars said: ↑
Again, your understanding of the Scripture and the usage of the word "DAYS" in Gen 1&2 is very poor and shows lack of common sense, since, your argument is out of context to the issue at hand - Gen 1&2 - God's Creative Days.

Sorry, but I don’t find you to be a Bible Believing Christian. In fact, and I might be wrong, therefore, I will apologize in advance - if such the case - BUT, I honestly believe that you are just one of the few Christian Pretenders of this Message Board - who will always take advantage of other Christian’s Doctrinal disagreement and discussion of the Scripture..... Desiring to be a theological teacher of the law… having itching ears, understanding neither what you say or whereof to affirm your own Biblical Stand… And for this cause, God will send you a strong delusion that you should believe a lie.

Therefore, I will suggest that you should stick to your man's natural knowledge, simply because, your spiritual understanding of Scripture is very poor and woefully lacking... in spite of my spoon feeding you with answers to your questions in reference to my postings. Why? It's because you are not here to listen or learn.

Have a good day.

 

Unbelievers or Christian Pretenders CANNOT understand Scripture because they don't have the Holy Spirit to guide them into God's Truth. 1Co 2:14 This is because one MUST have the Gift of Faith from the Father. Eph 2:8-10

God has hidden His Truth from this lost and dying world and only revealed it to His children. This ASSURES that ONLY by Faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Scriptures can one be saved. In order to understand you MUST study to show yourself approved unto God. 2Ti 2:15.... Below is one of my favorite verses.

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

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I am not sure why you are trying so hard to TWIST what is clearly written in the cited text to suit your agenda. Below is the actual text in question.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: v9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Notice in Hebrew 11:1 Faith is Substance and Evidence. Once you have been born Spiritually it will allow you to see, evidence of things not seen when God gives you the Faith to believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, according to the Scriptures. It is a GIFT from God to men. Without this Faith, one cannot be born again.

Once, you have received this Faith, you can begin to look for the evidence of things not seen as Hebrews 11:1 shows.

Hbr 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

It means that you must not accept everything else, by Blind Faith, since it is now possible for you to look for the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen, before you were made alive Spiritually.

That's what I do, and it is really thrilling to discover the evidence of God, which I call PROOF of God, since it is PROOF to me. since I have been born Spiritually, in Christ, by Faith. I have also noticed that it's NOT evidence to unbelievers, as they blaspheme God's Holy Word as myth, allegory, and fiction. Those who don't look for God's Truth will never find it.

 

2Pillars said: ↑
You (Oseas) said that Gen 2:3 is in the past.

Here's the complete context of the quote that you trying hard to avoid since you don't have a come back or rebuttal to offer ... see below.

That’s NOT my style Oseas and I resent your false and unfounded accusation about me. Get real. Its either you respond directly to the issues I brought forth taken on your immediate post above my reply # 37 or everybody will see that you don't really understand what you are spouting here.

IN FACT, the quote was taken right above my response (post #37) to your long convoluted cut-and-paste post # 36.... filled with ERRORS ... see below the actual quote….

For your correct learning Oseas... YHWH or Jesus, the Son, came in to this physical world and provided the light in the beginning BEFORE the world was... when his Almighty God Father commanded and spoke the 1st Word in the beginning and said LET THERE BE LIGHT : and there was light. Gen 1:3

Now Oseas, are you going to respond to the issues I brought forth which, seemingly, you are trying to avoid and ignore …. or are you ready to admit your obvious ERRORS? Which one?

Quote 2Pillars:>>>>Another misunderstanding of Genesis by Oseas: Here's why... see below...

Without YHWH or Jesus, the Son, was Not anything made that was made, because Everything Physical was formed - as a potter would mold a clay - by the Physical Hands of the Only God, the Only Image, the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God.

Gen. 1:6-8 shows that the Firmament or Heaven, as God calls it in Gen. 1:8 was formed on the 2nd Day.

The narrative of Gen. 1:1-2 is speaking of the period BEFORE the 1st Day.

This is what Jesus said when He was praying to His Father at the Garden of Gethsemane:

And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with Thine Own Self with the Glory which I had with Thee BEFORE the world was." John 17:5

Glory is Brightness, a physical trait. Jesus is reminding His Invisible God Father about the Brightness of his Glory that He provided BEFORE the world was (Gen 1:3).... BEFORE the Making of our physical Worlds.

If one believes that In the beginning God created the Heavens (Plural) BEFORE the 1st Day, then the Words of Jesus would seem to be in error.

If one believes that the 1st Firmament or Heaven was formed on the 2nd Day, then it would agree with Jesus, and would show that Jesus came into the World Before the 1st Heaven was formed....BEFORE the world was. <<<< END OF QUOTE

 

Dear Oseas,

Please do not pass to others your own predicament and weaknesses. It's not acceptable practices. Also, stop avoiding the issue that is being presented to you.... by DIVERTING and by REPEATING what others have already posted and explained on this Forum... and pretend that you are providing your own refutation in response to my post. NICE TRY BUT NO CIGAR!

See my quotes below..

Now are going to respond to my outstanding issue that I brought up below to show your doctrinal errors?

QUOTE="2Pillars,>>>>Another misunderstanding of Genesis by Oseas: Here's why... see below...

Without YHWH or Jesus, the Son, was Not anything made that was made, because Everything Physical was formed - as a potter would mold a clay - by the Physical Hands of the Only God, the Only Image, the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God.

Gen. 1:6-8 shows that the Firmament or Heaven, as God calls it in Gen. 1:8 was formed on the 2nd Day.

The narrative of Gen. 1:1-2 is speaking of the period BEFORE the 1st Day.

This is what Jesus said when He was praying to His Father at the Garden of Gethsemane:

And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with Thine Own Self with the Glory which I had with Thee BEFORE the world was." John 17:5

Glory is Brightness, a physical trait. Jesus is reminding His Invisible God Father about the Brightness of his Glory that He provided BEFORE the world was (Gen 1:3).... BEFORE the Making of our physical Worlds.

If one believes that In the beginning God created the Heavens (Plural) BEFORE the 1st Day, then the Words of Jesus would seem to be in error.

If one believes that the 1st Firmament or Heaven was formed on the 2nd Day, then it would agree with Jesus, and would show that Jesus came into the World Before the 1st Heaven was formed....BEFORE the world was. <<<< END OF QUOTE

 

Again, as usual, except for another DIVERSION TACTICAL MANEUVERING.... you don't have any rebuttal to offer.... to defend the LOONINESS of your CULTIC STAND, that is being exposed here on this Forum, correct? How sad, isn't it?

FYI, that always happen when somebody like you, who always PRETEND to know more than he is capable of handling. Like many others Pretenders of any Christian Forums, you have nothing but BLUFF too....tsk..tsk....tsk

Oh well, again below are one of the many issues that you seemingly trying to ignore and avoid... repeatedly... even on the other Forum we were engaged in.....

BUMP! BUMP! BUMP! ..... REPOST....

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

The word finished in Hebrew means brought to perfection since that is HOW God's work always ends. Notice also that ALL the host of Heaven (including the last sinner to be saved) are present in Heaven at this time.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from ALL his work which he had made.
v3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from ALL his work which God created and made.

You (Oseas) said that Gen 2:3 is in the past. Yet, our Lord God, the Son, came to Earth some 2k years ago, and told us the exact opposite of your flawed traditional religious view that your are spouting over and over again (even on the other website) .... for He said the following below, the time He was being sought to be killed by the Jews for working on the ALLEGED "sabbath day":

Jhn 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
v17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

Hitherto in Greek means up to the present time. Jesus is saying that the Father and He are working at the time Jesus was on the Earth.

The imperfect tense of the Hebrew verb shows that God's Work of CREATION continues Today. Even, EVERY Gospel preacher agrees and tells us that it is NOT too late to be born again Spiritually.

The present 6th Day IS the Day of Salvation.

2Co 6:2 (For He saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured (helped) thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, NOW is the day of salvation.)

The Holy Spirit, the Son, and the Father are STILL working today to create sinners in Christ Spiritually. Amen?

Now, continue to study and realize that I am edifying The Great Sabbath, the 7th Day, when ALL Christians will cease from our labor on Earth and we will join Jesus for the Age of Joy which will never end because the 7th Day (Gen 2:3) has No Evening and No End.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Any direct thought or rebuttal - ref. above, Oseas?... No? .... I, thought so!!!...

Amen?

 

ANOTHER BIBLICAL IGNORANCE BY OSEAS - TAKEN FROM THEIR POSTED CULTIC STAND or GOATHERDER'S THEOLOGY.... Here's why....

Based on the Scripture.... Christ, the Son, is BEFORE all things, the FIRSTBORN of Every Creature:

Co 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
v16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
v17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Here are some Scriptural Proof Text that are in harmony together in chronological order, contrary to Oseas Cultic Stand .... The Son of God being Brought Forth or Begotten into this Physical World BEFORE anything is made that was made - BEFORE the Making of our Worlds.... Becoming the FIRSTBORN of Every Creature.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Prov. 8:22

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Gen 1:2

The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:2

I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.Prov 8:3

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen, 1:3

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Prov 8:24

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.Gen.1:4

In him was life; and the life was the light of men.John 1:4

Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: Prov 8:25

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. John 1:5 ...AMEN?

WHO WILL BELIEVE YOU NOW, OSEAS?

Dear Readers:

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. v9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

God Bless