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[QUOhttp://baptistboard.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1530050TE=carpro;1530050]Sorry Sonny. You vote for 'em and support 'em, you are tarred by their brush.

Riding that fence will forever give you problems with Christians who vote like Christians on the first 2 issues.[/QUOTE]

Nope. Never had problems with the Christians at my church. You're the only one. The difference between me and you right-wing fundamentalist extremists is that I don't only care for fetuses, but for people of all ages, who are created in the image of God. For example, I want to ban elective abortions to protect pre-born life, but I also want to institute universal health care to protect people of all ages, including elderly people like my 98-year-old great-grandmother, and teenagers, and young and middle-aged adults, as well as children.

 

I do not support abortion. You know that and yet you continue your tangled web of lies and deception about me. Secondly, I've never met an "abortion supporter." None of the pro-choice people I know like abortion, but I'm sure that your strawman is too useful for you to give up. You should reach out to people who have yet to come to a biblical, pro-life position instead of demonizing them.

You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?

Right back at you.

 

You're a liar. I do walk the walk because my church gives money to pro-life crisis pregnancy centers and I give money to the church. I'm also a member of Democrats for Life and I give them money. Plus, as I said before, I care about post-birth people too.

My lawyer uncle's in-laws used to be right wingers, but over the years as they got older they became progressives. Maybe one day you'll be like them.

 

Yeah. Progreesives care so much they are pushing for a bill that won't do a thing until 2014. How old will your great-grandmother, or whatever she is, be then ?

If you are going to tell me the democrat party in charge of America right now is even close to pro-life. then you are the liar.


It's good to be back.

 

She'll probably be dead by then.

The Democratic Party has a long way to come before they come to a proper position on this issue. However, Democrats for Life has proposed a plan that both pro-life and pro-choice Democrats can work together on called the 95-10 Initiative, which is supposed to reduce the number of abortions by 95% over ten years by supporting pregnant women and supporting abstinence and contraception.

 

That's correct. God's grace is unmerited. See also my thread on the Five Articles of Remonstrance.

What are you talking about? I just pointed to you a plan that would take real action on abortion written by Democrats. It's probably too much government involvement and spending for you, isn't it?

How's that?

 

The democrat party. As in, a party of democrats. Democratic is a governing form.

Yup. Like their plan to eliminate poverty, educate every kid, and end all wars. You are having a dream.

 

The Democratic party platform is pro-abortion/women's rights. that much is known by all. To support said party is to support that platform, just as to support someone running on said party's ticket. Even if that candidate says they are pro-life they are standing on a platform of pro-abortion. What part of that is hard to see?

As for this "health care" malarkey... The present administration has wasted a year and untold millions of dollars to try to ram this thing through. Almost every pledge made regarding this travesty has been shattered and tossed aside, and even those voting on it don't know everything contained within it. It is so messed up that the Dems are going to try to use an end-around run to get it through on a technicality and so those who want to vote for it but are afraid their constituents will toss them out can do so and keep their butts covered (i.e. lie to the public for the sake of keeping their jobs).

Oh, yeeeeeeah... I can see why people want to be associated with that party. Progressive? In a pig's eye.

 

Then what's your plan?

 

There is no plan to end war. We can't do it. All we can do is resist the liberal tendancy to "help" other nations by superimposing a democracy over an existing government. As far as poverty goes, Christ said the poor would always be with us, and it was up to individuals and churches to be charitable. Government programs to fight poverty are always corrupt, and always fail. As far as health care, TORT reform, lifting interstate restrictions, less government regulation, and encouraging free market-competitive pricing will do more to reduce health care costs than anything the democrat party is suggesting. My contention is they do not want to fix health care. They want power. You do not want to fix health care, either. You just want to make it free.