Gnosticism 2

It never ceases to amaze me, that so many overlook the MAIN POINTS being brought forth, and focus all the attention on other minor issues.


Askjo, thank you very much for providing that link and the information provided. It was very informative, and very telling.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

This defender of MVs disagrees with you, Marica. </font>[/QUOTE]The validity of this quote is
still in question

 

About the KJV preface discussing gnosticism in Alexandrian manuscripts, and my request for michelle to show us where:

michelle said "I have, and you all scoffed at it."

Well, obviously not, since in the previous post you said I ignored it and never responded to it. Please post it again, and I will neither ignore it nor scoff.

 

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michelle said "I have, and you all scoffed at it."

Well, obviously not, since in the previous post you said I ignored it and never responded to it. Please post it again, and I will neither ignore it nor scoff.
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I was talking about two completely different things, and times. If you really desire to know natters, go look at the preface again. I am not going through the work again for you, when all you desire to do is argue. I am done playing the games and wasting my time, only to be falsely accused time and time again.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

First of all the name calling has been done by many of you toward us, and falsely so I might add, and with absolutely no proof for it, remorse for it, nor apology.

Second, your beliefs of KJVOnlyism is never supported with scriptural truth, and in fact cannot be found anywhere in the scripture. You have no scriptural support that indicates God prevents alterations to some copies and translations of His word of truth, nor that those particular texts or translations of texts are infallible or inerrant. In fact, you all have falsely labeled us Bible perverters and falsely accusing us of believing in false doctrine, and have no scriptural support that supports your false accusations of/against us. In fact it is us who believe the scriptures we have and our beliefs are supported by them. Hint: this is where we get our beliefs from - the scriptures. You all claim we are believing some man made false doctrine. This is a lie that you are believing, and because of this, you have all falsely accused your fellow bretheren, and sisters in Christ. Someday you will have to give an account for it. Some day you will also have to give an account for saying the scriptures have errors in them, and then defending those alterations, when it has been shown to you by many, and repeatedly, they in fact have been altered. You are condoning it, and leading who knows how many countless others to believe the scriptures have alterations, which ultimatately will sow doubt and unfaithfulness to many.

You just might want to take your own advice in the above quote.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
superdave

 

If this blatant attack on the sanctity of the Word of God is not evidence enough to get the moderators to remove the "h" word from the banned list at least when used in reference to such heretical teaching regarding the very Words of God, I don't know what it would take.

 

Read the preface to the NKJV CAREFULLY,it appears it's translators are claiming divine inspiration!! observe:

"We have again and again been made aware that God was at work among us[!!!???],imparting to us a small measure of His infinite wisdom,"


What a profession!! I never remember any of the KJV's translators making such a claim...Now,who's got the Gnosis??

 

What are you talking about? It looks to me that they were claiming divine illumination - a Spirit-imparted understanding that all Christians receive.

 

Only if you don't understand what the word inspiration means. It doesn't just mean having a bit of divine guidance, but refers to the very outbreathing of God. An inspired text comes about because God exhales it.

That statement is hardly a claim of inspiration.

 

michelle said "I was talking about two completely different things, and times."

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

michelle said "If you really desire to know natters, go look at the preface again. I am not going through the work again for you, when all you desire to do is argue."

I have looked at the preface many many times. I do not see where the KJV translators associate gnosticism with Alexandrian manuscripts. All I am asking is for you to post it again. I would very much appreciate it. Thank you.

Slambo said "Read the preface to the NKJV CAREFULLY,it appears it's translators are claiming divine inspiration!!"

Slambo, that is not a claim of inspiration. The KJV translators made even stronger statements about Lord's involvement in the Septuagint, yet do not believe it was "inspired".

 

Slambo: “Read the preface to the NKJV CAREFULLY, it appears it's translators are claiming divine inspiration!! observe:

"We have again and again been made aware that God was at work among us[!!!???],imparting to us a small measure of His infinite wisdom,"

Ok, Slambo -- I did read the NKJV Preface 3 times in 3 different editions, and I fail to find the quotation you gave. How about a little more help so someone can actually *find* the quotation in proper context? (unless you cited the NKJV in error and this came from some other translation’s preface).

 

Still no evidence! He's just making claims that the Gnostics altered biblical texts and says it's been documented but gives no evidence of this. And yes, there were Gnostic perversions of the Bible but they are not in the canon. They were rejected.

Don't you think if Gnostics fooled around with biblical texts we'd see a glimmer of Gnostic beliefs in the NASB or NIV? But we don't.

With all these claims going on, why can't someone put up an example here of the Gnosticisms in the MVs?

 

Because there is no proof of Gnosticism in the MV's. They can talk in circles all they want, but there hasn't been a shred of evidence to prove that the MV's contain one shred of gnosticism.

AVL1984

 

The preachers they listen to are probably about as credible as they are too.

 

This thread will be closed no earlier than 10:00 P.M. CST tonight. You have until then to wrap this one up.

 

You might as well close it now. 7 pages an not a single example of Gnosticism in modern versions. So there's nothing to talk about.

 

Amen!

AVL1984

 

I concur. 7 pages and not one iota of evidence provided.

 

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You criticized and denied the gnosticism among Mvs and apographs because you rejected Webster dictionary's definition of the Gnosticism. You need a NEW non-Webster dictionary rather than Webster dictionary.
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Yes, Askjo. They have done this with every single bit of evidence given to them, and then claim falsely, none has been given. They rather come up with excuses and reasons for AVOIDING THE OBVIOUS.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle