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God and Satan

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by billwald, Jul 5, 2005.

  1. billwald

    billwald New Member

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    Several possibilities:

    1. God loved Satan when God created Satan and will still love Satan when he destroys Satan in the end time fire.

    2. God hated Satan when God created Satan and will hate Satan when Satan is destroyed.

    3. God loved origionally Satan and changed his mind.
     
  2. whetstone

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    Likeliest scenario: It isn't expressly stated in scripture and can therefore only be answered by speculation.
     
  3. Wes Outwest

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    Satan, as Lucifer, angel of light, attempted to usurp the throne of God! Attempted to become God! Therefore he invited God's wrath upon himself.
    Satan then corrupted God's created man through lies and deceipt!

    Does God love Satan?

    We'll all see!
     
  4. Magnetic Poles

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    Yet, as the creator of Satan, the omniscient God could not have been surprised by the outcome, yet he created him anyway. This is one of the confounding points of theology.
     
  5. johnp.

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    Hello billwald.
    He will hate Satan forever.

    He hated Satan because He decided to hate Satan so when God said everything was very good this would include the hated as they were prepared to do a work that would result in the glory of God being revealed. The chief end of God is to glorify God and to that end all creation has been created.

    john.
     
  6. whatever

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    That is the conclusion I have come to. Lots of opinions, not much Scripture.
     
  7. Wes Outwest

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    For God so loved Satan that...
     
  8. whatever

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    </font>[/QUOTE]Since God will do the same to unbelievers does that mean that He does not love all men?
     
  9. Wes Outwest

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    At the time of judgment, all who have not met God's requirement for salvation get cast into the lake of fire...whether or not God loves them!
     
  10. BobRyan

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    God created.... and HE saw that it was Good!

    The Arminian God does not "create and then hate" what He creates. God "So LOVED... Yes Really!"

    God loved Lucifer and created him "perfect" in all his ways.

    But as Wes says - in the end the wicked are tossed into the lake of fire.

    And God says HE "weeps" over the loss.

    So do we if we are "like God" in any way. For example - what if we had "the mind of Christ" 1Cor 2??

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  11. inpeace

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    Isaiah 14:12-20, "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.' 15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. 16 "Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: 'Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms, 17 Who made the world as a wilderness And destroyed its cities, Who did not open the house of his prisoners?' 18 "All the kings of the nations, All of them, sleep in glory, Everyone in his own house; 19 But you are cast out of your grave Like an abominable branch, Like the garment of those who are slain, Thrust through with a sword, Who go down to the stones of the pit, Like a corpse trodden underfoot. 20 You will not be joined with them in burial, Because you have destroyed your land And slain your people. The brood of evildoers shall never be named."

    Speaking about the King of Tyre, but also through to Satan.
     
  12. whetstone

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    I believe God currently hates Satan as well as the wicked.

    Psa 139:21,22 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

    It's easy to get caught up in an ecumenical Arminian God who is all love and never hate, but the term 'God is love' only appears in scripture twice while the wrath of God on sin is apparent from cover to cover.
     
  13. Wes Outwest

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    Whetstone,
    God's wrath may be present throughout the scriptures, but the scripture you quoted is not one of those times. Nor is Psalm 139 God telling us that he hates. No, it is David telling us who he hates.
    No wonder you're a Calvinist, being told what to believe by some other man, you cannot keep the players straight even when they tell you who they are.
     
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