God Controls Hearts and Thoughts as He Says in His Word

Hitler is in control = Evil. Because his very nature is evil.

God is in control = Yet He remains Holy and Sovereign and Just, because He can be none other. This is one reason He can, and only He can be righteously a jealous God, but I won't go there as to get you further off track, just a way to help you consider and understand.

Describing Gods Biblical Sovereignty, namely, that He is in control of all things, does not turn Holy God into a monster, nor into a bully. Unfortunately, that is the reaction that comes from those who misunderstand this, or have been confronted with its truth. Jonathan Edwards had the same struggle. To ascribe this to Him is misunderstanding Him. This is His Biblical position. It's all over the Bible.

Let's say God is in control of all things (which he is) how could this make One who is Holy, a bully and a monster? It can't, because it is impossible. But can you answer that succinctly, friend?

Tell me what happens in this world without His determinate counsel, or that He permissively allows to happen? He's is God is He not?

Both of these avenues He uses shows that He in fact is in control, both permissively, because He could step in and change it if He wanted to, but, instead, it (whatever circumstance) is going exactly how He wants it to or permits it to because it is not against His will or plans, then there is the determinative side. So thus, yes, He is in total control.

And again, He does as He wills to whom He wills, and does control hearts and agendas, counsels, turns them to fulfill His purposes.

What is happening now that He is unaware of? Do things all of a sudden occur to God? (I know this is a lot)

Your passages about David having his own thoughts doesn't disprove the Biblical fact He is in control. I appreciate that you are digging for passages, friend, but that doesn't prove that He isn't in control. There is nothing in those passages that does this. The problem here, again, is that you are basing everything off of what you say I said, which, again, I didn't. Thus your passages are addressing the wrong subject.

Until you go back and actually get what I said, you will remain in this cycle.

To say that I am saying He PUTS EVERY thought into man is, well, not what I said.

Thus all your thoughts coming off of this fallacious premise (wht you say I said v. what I actually said) will be perfidious. You haven't grasped the Biblical concept of God that I have shared in here, and choose to continue on this thing that you say I allegedly said.

I've never said what you say I said, brother. Give me a post where I said He puts every thought into mans mind.

-Or-

...lets actually grasp this Biblical concept and start afresh with you debating what I actually did say. And the Scriptures to go along with it. Actually, I'd rather you debate what the Bible says about my God, than what you think I said. You game for this fresh start?

- Gods Blessings to you

 

Yes. Amen. Not only that, it's Biblical.

 

Nope. Not close. You quoted me, then you added to it the words "God puts every thought" into it immediately after, and have been on this path that distorts what I actually did say since.

I sincerely await to debate based on all I've said, with the Scriptures I've used proving what I have actually stated to being theologically accurate.

This back and for "no you didn't" "yes you did" is getting us nowhere.

I just want to be truthfully represented here, and at this time, that is not what is happening brother. Sometimes we say someone said "something" so often, that we actually believe they did.

Let's try this off of what I have actually stated, with the actual Scriptures that go along with it.

Until then you're fighting a theory that I have never espoused, that in fact, you created.

Never have I stated that God puts every thought into our minds. Ever.

Please reread everything I have said. Please understand that you added to my words, and are not quoting me. After this takes place, I would be more than glad to discuss this Biblical portrait of Sovereign God controlling all things, with you.

Did you get the ideology behind the Hitler/God example? God can never be construed as bad, a monster, nor a bully, even though He does control all things, including the hearts of man, because His Nature is perfect and Holy. Thus he can control all things, and this cannot corrupt His incorruptible nature.

I sincerely hope that helps.


- Grace and peace

 

Yep, that's what I said. Then you started adding the words "PUTS EVERY THOUGHT" into our minds, eisegetically inserting it then claiming it "gospel true," i.e. in the exact same manner you misintepret Scripture, eisegetically, of course.

And then after adding words and meanings you went on your rant about it. But, on the wrong subject and on fabricated ideas and misquotes, of course.

I knew you couldn't do it. That's unfortunate.

Your entire premise and base were then false and never addressed the truth expressed in the OP.

Now, let's see if you can actually address what I've actually said.

By the way, since you're starting labeling again. No hyper here, friend. I believe man is responsible. I'm not even a calvinist, although I apply it to me so folks on here ca get my angle of theology. I just happen to belvee ALL of Scripture, not just the parts that scratch ears, or get amens, or agree with a shallow theology that insists proof texts for answers.


- Blessings and peace

 

Sorry. You've misquoted me three times now. (I use three because you say so.)

You know, DHK, I have made several attempts to get straight with you, to get you to stop misquoting me, and misrepresenting me, yet you have shown that you really don't want to get along with a brother or try to get along peacably and insist on misquoting.


That is the saddest part of all of this. I have to say that your bad temperment, misquoting and fabricating, along with your attitude, and twisting things is dishonoring to the Kingdom of God.

 

Thanks for the defense Winman. He also said "every" not just "put." But that's his apologetic, to misrep, and add words, THEN he has a cause!!! Of course, all based upon his fallacies.

However, how you conclude this is the same thing, well, is typical you Winman. You have serious trouble distinguishing truth from error, and distinguishing the vast difference between what I said, and what DHK says I said.

That I never said God puts every thought into our minds, and instead stated He does control thoughts and hearts and directs them Sovereignly, with given Scripture to prove it, show these are two very separate issues. It's "puts every thought into our minds" v. "He does control mens thoughts, hearts." Two separate issues, DHK's being not only fabrication, but unscriptural, and mine is shown forth in Scripture.

Your quote of scripture to back up whatever theological (undisclosed) stance you have, is so far off, even a Heavens Gate member would have trouble believing you.

"It's not accurate to say God allows us to think evil?" Uh? Really? He doesn't allow us to think evil? Well, I wish that were true. But that is error on your part Winman. He is allowing it right now, isn't He? How do you come up with this stuff? You have got to quit listening to Family Radio!!!

Your proof text is so far off track, that it is almost sad, really. You're using this verse thinking I said what DHK said, that is, falsely accused of saying "God puts every thought into man." I never said God gives us every thought. Thus, you are already going down the trail of DHK, fighting an argumennt I've never stated. See what I'm saying? You're using this vers to fight the argument that God puts every thought into man. You've gotten yourself confused again.

I seriously think you get confused really easily. I worry about you.

In the Faith Received thread, you rebuked me, in a statement, by stating something I already believe, then then rebuking me for it, saying I don't believe what I do believe. Hmm. I already believed what you said I didn't. Therefore, even in that thread, you were fighting against the wrong thing!!! Go look, I think you only had one reply, and I replied to that. You should go take a look see.

Seriously, I am worried about you, you are getting really confused brother. PM me if I can assist you in some way.

I won't read your response bro, because you will go off on so many Avenues, Cul De Sacs, Streets, Lanes, Alleys, and Blvd's and never really answer it, and by time you're done we'll be talking Noahs Ark somehow.

PM me if I can help you.

- God Bless

 

Close, but yet, so far.

He said that I said God puts (pay attention) EVERY thought into our mind. He added two (dos?) words changing the entire meaning.

I certainly don't believe He puts every thought in our mind.

Now get it straight Winman.

Now, Winman, does God put thoughts in your mind? Does he put every thought in your mind?

See?