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Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by Pioneer, Nov 27, 2001.

  1. Chris Temple

    Chris Temple New Member

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S. Baptist:
    I did a little "research" to see if the Bible has anything to say about "predestination", an "lo
    and behold", I found Jesus, John and Paul condemning it.
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    This is really entering the realm of ridiculousness.

    proorizoµ; to predetermine, foreordain:


    PREDESTINATION - To predestine means to “predetermine,” “foreordain,” or “mark off beforehand.” Biblical predestination is God’s eternal predetermination of all things according to His perfect will and character and for His own glory (Ps 145:17; Ro 11:36; Eph 1:6, 11–12, 14). Predestination encompasses both directly caused events (e.g., Genesis 1; Ps 33:9; Jam 1:18) and also divinely permitted events (e.g., Nu 22–24; Lu 22:21–22; Ac 2:23–24; 4:27–28). Scripture relates divine predestination primarily to God’s redemptive purposes for His people (De 7:7–8; Ac 18:10; Ro 8:28–30; 1 Pe 2:9). The Christian doctrine of predestination is distinct from fatalism, since Scripture affirms human responsibility along with divine sovereignty (Ac 2:23, 36; Php 2:12–13). (NASB Topical Index)

    Ephes. 1:3-14 (ESV)
    Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, [4] even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
    [5] he predestined us for adoption through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, [6] to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. [7] In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, [8] which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight
    [9] making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ
    [10] as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
    [11] In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, [12] so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. [13] In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, [14] who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

    Romans 8:28-30 (ESV)
    And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. [29] For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. [30] And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S. Baptist:
     
  4. Chris Temple

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    This thread began concerning the scope of the atonement, and after 5 pages has digressed into another election debate.

    Moderator, I encourage you to close this thread and see if another one opens as needed.
     
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