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God is a time traveler

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Soulman, Nov 13, 2009.

  1. Soulman

    Soulman New Member

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    Re 1:1 ¶ The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
    2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
    Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    God is a time traveler. We know He has existed in all times. Even the future. God showed John the end of the world. He chose us before the foundation of the world. Before the world was framed He knew us according to scripture.

    This has already played out somewhere in time. God exists outside of time. We are already in heaven or hell. God showed John the end like it was f-fwd on a vcr.
     
  2. Revmitchell

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    A rather absurd statement
     
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    Say what?
     
  4. Johnv

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    God is onmitemporal, but God is not a "time traveller". God exists in all times at once. He doesn't "move" between times. As for us, no we are not already in Heaven or Hell. We are limited to a strictly linear existence. We do not enter into Heaven or Hell until we get to the linear end of our physical existence.
     
  5. Thinkingstuff

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    Actually, God exist through time and outside time. Time in otherwords is irrelevant to God's perspective save how it functions with in his creation. We are linear how every that is a little debateable if in discussion with String theorist. We are not in either place as yet because we aren't there. However, from Gods perspective the consumation and the begining are like a dot on a white sheet of paper. They, for a lack of a better term, happened simultaniously. However, note, that the fabric of our universe (space time) is maintained by God and he in habits all parts of it at once so in another sense he's very much involved in our linear experience as well.
     
  6. Martin

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    No, God is not a time traveler. God simply knows all things.

    "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things which have not been done" -Is. 46:10


    No, we are not already in heaven or hell. The future has not yet occured. God perfectly knows the future because He is in control of time. What He showed John in Revelation was a vision. Not a vcr tape.
     
  7. Soulman

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    I agree that God exists in all times. He knows how things will end up and even shows some of this to John. He knew us before the world was formed. So these things have already happened somewhere in time. (The end, judgement etc.) Time travel may be a very elementary way of putting it but God exists in every moment of our existance. Past, present and FUTURE.
     
  8. Soulman

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    If God showed it to John then it has happened in our future.
     
  9. Soulman

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    I am just having a little fun here. What a concept though, huh?
     
  10. Johnv

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    Good point. It would lead to the interesting discussion as to whether the future could be changed. Even the most ardent calvinist (hypercalvinists notwithstanding) would concur that our future is not set. But that is more of a discussion of the laws of physics and less a discussion of Christian philosophy.
     
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    I think a good definition of eternity would be timelessness, a concept that our finite minds are not able to fathom, IMO. I read somewhere that God sees the whole thing at once, like from Adam to the last one born on earth is in a twinkling of an eye to Him. An interesting thought.
     
  12. Soulman

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    I think if God sees everything from beginning to end and is timeless, it would be safe to say that to our finite minds God sees the future . He also exists in all time as ahe is the beginning and the end. The future God sees cannot be changed as all prophecy comes true perfectly. What John saw will happen and God was there as much as He was with John. Hence: Time traveller is just a sci-fi term, If it is seen it has happened in time.
     
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    God does not look into the future to see "what will happen" He is the creator of all time, places and actions now and in the future. It is not that He knows or sees, it is that He is. Period
     
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    There needs to be more information out there for today's believer. I would seriously like to write a book on God's omnitemporal nature and how many theological views could be understood much better by understanding this overlooked attribute in greater detail. Something that combines Scripture, philosophy and the scientific understanding of time would be most helpful.

    Let's write a book together :D
     
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    From the Preterist viewpoint, what John saw HAS already happened (at least most of it); But in no way does that preclude a twofold or dual fulfillment of the prophecies (they're 'living oracles', you know). All you pre-mils would do well to read the account given by Josephus of 'The Wars Of The Jews' and the last few chapters of 'Antiquities Of The Jews'. Read, feel, see, firsthand of "the severity of God" which came upon the Jews, of which Josephus was an eye witness, indeed a part of. God doesn't change. You'll get a preview of what's to come by looking at the past. He will do things in the same manner the next time around.
     
  16. Soulman

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    God is the creator of all time, so.... it makes sense that He moves about it freely. If He exists outside time yet is present in all eras then I get your point that "He is". But He is also as our minds can construe it...in it's most basic definition (one that moves through or in time) a TIME TRAVELLER.

    I am not attempting to be disrespectful to our Lord. I just think it is amazing that He can and does do this.
     
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    One would think since God created time, He can do whatever He wants with it, either travel, or be all places at once. I once heard an illustration, no doubt very simple to the real situation, that being outside of time is like watching a parade all at once from up above, and being in time is being in the parade.
     
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    I think that would be a great thing to do. With as much as our finite minds would allow, could be come up to an idea of what it means to be outside of time and space, or eternity? For example, several of the posts talk about going from place to place. In eternity, there is no "place."
     
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