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God is not a Republican (or a Democrat)

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by JustChristian, Sep 22, 2008.

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  1. ajg1959

    ajg1959 New Member

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    I dont have any answers Ken. In fact, i do believe that the situation in the middle east will get a whole lot worse before it gets better. A unified state of Iraq/Iran is a dangerous situation for the whole world, not just the US.

    AJ
     
    #41 ajg1959, Sep 22, 2008
  2. LadyEagle

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    Draw your own conclusions by reading this:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12319798/

    The Congress that voted for all this was majority Democrats. See? It's all rhetoric.....
     
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  3. Petra-O IX

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    Yep! And that is why a Third party candidate will get my vote. Why vote for someone that you can only trust to lie to you? It really lacks any Christian conscience when on chooses to vote for known liars.
     
    #43 Petra-O IX, Sep 22, 2008
  4. LadyEagle

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    And ROCKO, that's why I voted CP last election.

    This time, Palin gave my hope back for the unborn.....
     
    #44 LadyEagle, Sep 22, 2008
  5. Petra-O IX

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    Palin is just a flash in the pan , a mere novelty nothing more.
     
    #45 Petra-O IX, Sep 22, 2008
  6. ajg1959

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    Have you ever been in the military?

    In the military we were only told what "we needed to know". It is the president's job to ensure the security of our nation, and that includes only telling us what we need to know. It may include even lieing to protect national secrets. I am sure Bin Laden gets CNN in his cave, and would hear any secrets that were broadcast before most of us would.

    I dont have a problem with a president lieing or misleading the world, and us, in the interest of national security.

    Since you are healthy and arent wearing a turban and speaking farsi then you should be glad that we have not been attacked again.

    AJ
     
    #46 ajg1959, Sep 22, 2008
  7. Petra-O IX

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    And I have nothing against the military but I am not subjected to the same rules as military men and women. Lieing is an abomination. Lieing is not a Christian value.
     
    #47 Petra-O IX, Sep 22, 2008
  8. ajg1959

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    If a vote for a third party would make a difference i might consider it, but since none of them have any chance at all I choose to vote against the Dems by voting for the GOP. This doesnt mean that I am happy with McCain, it just means I am afraid of obama.

    I cannot vote for abortion or gay rights, and in fact feel compelled to vote against them, thus my only moral choice is McCain.

    AJ
     
    #48 ajg1959, Sep 22, 2008
  9. Petra-O IX

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    Well it is a choice but I cannot regard as a Christian moral choice.
     
    #49 Petra-O IX, Sep 22, 2008
  10. ajg1959

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    Lieing is necessary for national security. Unfortunately, our enemies are not christians, and do not share our values, and the truth would be used against us.

    AJ
     
    #50 ajg1959, Sep 22, 2008
  11. Petra-O IX

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    But this does show our lack of trust in God and more of man's reliance in himself.
     
    #51 Petra-O IX, Sep 22, 2008
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    The only thing moral about my choice is the fact that I am voting against Obama and the Dems. I dont share McCain's views on many issues, but at least he doesnt promote the unbiblical views of the Dems on abortion and gay rights.

    AJ
     
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  13. ajg1959

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    I agree with you in principle, but in reality it doesnt work that way. In fact, I doubt that even if we had a candidate that totally trusted in God for guidance and was truthful about everything, that he could get elected.

    AJ
     
    #53 ajg1959, Sep 22, 2008
  14. Petra-O IX

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    Maybe not but if we don't start somewhere in putting our Faith in God rather than man we will continue the same ol same ol in politics irregardless of who is elected.
     
    #54 Petra-O IX, Sep 22, 2008
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    oops hit wrong button
     
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  16. KenH

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    We have embassies in most countries. True, this one is larger but it is common practice to have an embassy in other countries.
     
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  17. JustChristian

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    I'm a Democrat and I:

    1) Do not support homosexual marriages. I do support their constitutional rights. I assume you don't.

    2) Do not support legalizing drugs

    3) Am against abortion except when the life of the mother is at risk. Why save the child and "murder" the mother?

    4) I don't know where "out" is but I'm an evangelical Christian who witnesses whenever it's possible without forcing my religion on anyone. I don't see the need to teach religion in public schools or to hang a copy of the Ten Commandments in a court house. In my experience people fight for these kinds of things rather than putting their emphasis on witnessing or on living a Christian life.


    However I do:

    1) Speak out against unjust wars in which hundreds of thousands of innocent people are killed (Iraq).

    2) Don't agree with people with distorted beliefs like George Bush using his "Christianity" for political gain.

    3) Don't immediately assume that everyone who is a Republican believes one list of things and everyone who is a Democrat believes another complete list of things. As you can see, I don't believe in any of the things you listed that "All Democrats" believe in.

    4) Believe that we should help the poor and needy. Ideally this would happen through the church but since that is never going to happen I believe our tax dollars should help.

    5) Believe in the benefits of universal education with public schools bearing most of the responsibility. My mother and aunt both taught deaf children in the public schools for over 30 years and I greatly admire them for the amazing amount of good they did. I get made at people who bad moth public schools for that reason.

    6) Believe in America's fundamental rights including the freedom to express your ideas even if they aren't supported by the majority.

    7) Don't believe that an assault rifle is necessary for hunting or that we should have laws allowing the carrying of concealed handguns in public.

    8) Don't believe in arbitrary banning of books or TV programs but do believe that children should be protected from pornography or extreme violence.

    9) Don't support illegal aliens in the USA.

    10) Believe that its worse than burning a flag to never vote. We go to war to force democracy on other countries but don't practice it ourselves.

    11) Don't agree with bring patriotism into the church or mixing it with religion.

    Well, I could go on and on but hopefully you get the picture. Assuming that a set of beliefs or characteristics apply to a large set of people is a tragic mistake. In fact, it's non-Christian.
     
    #57 JustChristian, Sep 22, 2008
  18. JustChristian

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    I don't support abortion or gay marriages. I'm not a pastor but my brother is. I'm a Deacon. What do you do for our Lord?
     
    #58 JustChristian, Sep 22, 2008
  19. JustChristian

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    He's right on the Bible. How about you?
     
    #59 JustChristian, Sep 22, 2008
  20. ajg1959

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    I vote against candidates that support issues that God opposes, for starters.

    AJ
     
    #60 ajg1959, Sep 22, 2008
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