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Featured God never designed or purposed to Save ALL men ever born.

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Iconoclast, Jan 13, 2022.

  1. SavedByGrace

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    WHY would God want to BEAR WITH MUCH LONGSUFFERING, these who are already on their way to eternal punishment? WHY??? It can ONLY be that He is NOT WILLING THAT ANY of these dear and precious souls are lost! There is no other reason for God's BEARING with the damned!

    Further, get your Greek out, and you will see that GOD is NOT the One Who has PREPARED these!

    YOu still do not understand the GREAT LOVE that the God of the Bible has for the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, because you have been BLINDED by your so called "reformed" theology, that wants to see sinner in hell, even though GOD desires that ALL come to Him for salvation, as Jesus says to the Jews who wanted to murder Him in John chapter 5, where He tells these, "but these things I say so that you might be saved" (verse 35), and "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life. And they are the ones witnessing of Me, and you will not come to Me that you might have life" (39-40)

    See the Heart of God, and that of a hardned CALVINIST!
     
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    Thoughts.

    for ye did not receive a spirit of bondage again for fear, but ye did receive a spirit of adoption in which we cry, 'Abba -- Father.' Rom 8:15 YLT

    Is that one still compost material ?

    Regeneration, born again (from above)

    And not only so, but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit, we also ourselves in ourselves do groan, adoption expecting -- the redemption of our body; Rom 8:23 YLT Is that one in bold compost material?
    but those accounted worthy to obtain that age, and the rising again that is out of the dead, neither marry, nor are they given in marriage; for neither are they able to die any more -- for they are like messengers -- and they are sons of God, being sons of the rising again. Luke 20:35,36 ? Compost material ?

    I do like the gardener, thought.
     
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    Please enlighten me.
     
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    If God desired all to be saved all would be saved.
     
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    as I said, get out your Greek NT and grammar. God did NOT PREPARE them.
     
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    You have kids, you DESIRE that they follow Jesus Christ and live godly lives, as much as you can. If they completely rebel and are never interested in following the Lord, have you failed?
     
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    I'm not God
     
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    The seed is the word of God planted in the compost. From that seed a new creation (creature) is born. This flesh and all that pertains to it is but compost.

    The new body is not yet revealed according to,Paul, but he states that when we see him (either in crossing over - for believers do not die, or in translation at the rapture) we shall be like Him. What then shall we be?

    I do not know, but seeing that the Scriptures state that everything we are and see is made of that which cannot be seen, and that we believers wrestle against principalities, I think it marvelous to speculate upon the characteristics of Christ’s resurrected form, and extrapolate from that about how we might “appear.”
     
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    makes no difference, my point is very valid!
     
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    No it isn't. It is apples and oranges.
     
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    You are jumping back and forth, refusing to respond to your own verses.
    You know if you answer it exposes your error.
    You oppose true doctrine yet again.
    The longsuffering of God results in the salvation of all those elected to be saved.God tolerates those enemies until His purpose comes to pass.
     
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    be patient, I am working on this MYTH of the reformed, in yet another misunderstaning of the "WILL" of God!
     
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    Dude, the MUCH LONGSUFFERING by God, is NOT towards the ELECT, but those who are on their way to eternal descruction! This is very clear in Romans 9:22

    What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction

    For WHAT purpose would God ever be LONGSUFFERING with those who are not elect, and on their way to hell? WHY would He even bother with these?

    Your response is cobblers!
     
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    I just found that I already dealt with this before

    The WILL of God
     
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    Longsuffering is also used to describe God waiting in th he day of Noah's flood 120 years bearing with the ungodly world.try reading your bible instead of trying to be cheeky
     
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    And you were wrong there too.
     
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    So to recap once again; You correctly spoke of the longsuffering of God, but sbg worked himself up into a lather and opposed himself, yet once again?
    He said:
    [ WHAT purpose would God ever be LONGSUFFERING with those who are not elect, and on their way to hell? WHY would He even bother with these?
    Your response is cobblers!]

    Yes...that is exactly what took place.
    However, the scripture answers such opposers....
    1Pet.3:18-22...
    When once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,while the ark was preparing, wherein few,that is,right souls were saved by water.

    When a person is set to resist they go into a frenzy of irrational rage that lashes out with the result of spiritual blindness opposed to the words of God himself.

    Perhaps if you had a spot of tea with your Duffy's crumpet it would help you compose yourself.
     
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    1) Adam fell and as a consequence God ordained all people be "made sinners." Romans 5:19
    2) God desires all people to be saved, but according to His criteria of belief in His Son. 1 Timothy 2:4, John 3:16
    3) God elects for salvation those whose faith He credits as righteousness, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Romans 4:4-5, 4:23-24
    4) The people whose lives are at stake are those God has not yet given to the Son. John 6:37
     
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    I see my view as consistent. Please specifically point out what you see as inconsistant in my view. Please quote me against a passage of Scripture.
     
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    This may seem confusing to some, but it is never the less true.

    In The Scripture, God uses terms human kind can relate and interact in coming to some concept He is trying to communicate.

    To that end, it is imperative that scholarship includes balance. That no single theme desired by humans be taken to some meaning that it violates other Scriptures.

    In this thread, I sense that is happening.

    The desires and will of God is certainly communicated by the Scriptures that God does not quickly move to rebuke and destroy the wicked any more then He did in the Garden. He has a plan in place, and, although wicked rebelliousness demands, God patiently withholds judgement until His plan of fulfillment objectives are met.

    Humankind then may inappropriately earmark the delay as God's desire and will being demonstrated towards what in reality it is not.

    For example: The Peter passage is not to the lost, but to the believers to understand that there are others yet to be added to the assembly. So then the delay of the return of the Savior.

    God is not "willing that any should perish" is not an invitation to the lost, but to those of God's choosing by His purpose and at His timing to be redeemed and adopted.

    The assumption that God desires all to be saved is just not Biblical. It ultimately diminishes God's attribute of knowing, and of being present at all times at the same time.

    Keep the balance. Keep the Scriptures in perspective and understand that God communicated in terms of human ability to comprehend, and be very careful that what you take of the Scripture and the views to which you adopt do not diminish any attribute of the Almighty, All Powerful, All Knowing, All ,,,

    The human condition is to deny God's power, to lessen His knowledge, to rebel against His authority, to ignore His commands, to withhold His praise, and even to mar His Holiness and mock His ways.

    It is that way also within the believer, much to our shame. For we, too, are still in the flesh and if not alert and responsive to the impulse of the Holy Spirit will communicate at least in some measure a diminishing of Him.

    In the Revelation, the scene is that of the sky being opened and folks gazing directly into the throne room of God. Do they repent? No they rebel, they hide, they scorn, they do all they can in attempting to diminish the sight set before humankind.

    Keep that in mind the next time anyone presents that God desires all on earth to be redeemed.

    For God is also an all consuming fire, filled of judgment and justice, and will wipe away ALL heaven and earth in a fervent heat.

    God loved His creation (Kosmos) that He gave His only Uniquely Born Son; must be balanced with God will destroy all the physical creation that was made even the heavens of the throne room. He will not tolerate sin, nor where sin has occurred.

    Keep the balance!

    Here is a good article for the casual reader of the BB considering the "Devine Revelation: God Making Himself Known." It will give a good foundational basis for one's own exploration of the attributes of God as He revealed Himself through the Scriptures.
    Divine Revelation: God Making Himself Known - The Gospel Coalition
     
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