Gods Law - Honor it? Avoid it? Dump it?

Bob, the courts and people are going to vascillate and do what they like at different times. We can't do anything about that, really.

What we can do is live our own lives with the Holy Spirit in us. We will be keeping the law that way without even thinking about it, and that sort of life will certainly attract questions from others. And those questions we are commanded to answer.

It has always been a personal thing. I'm sorry for Kentucky, happy for Texas in this regard, but surprised by neither. I'm not sure that anyone is going to change their lives because of either ruling.

 

God's Law is forever, God said in Mal 3:6 I am the LORD thy God and I change not" Also in Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Also, why would you not want to obey the very words spoken by God Himself? Seems to me that if you obey what the creator said then how could you go wrong??

 

The article (which is a commentary) in CT is false in one aslect. The commentary says "Everyone knows the Supreme Court ruled that one kind of Ten Commandments display on government property is unconstitutional, but that another kind is acceptable. But no one—including the Supreme Court itself—seems to be able to explain why.". That's completely false. The justices made a clear distinction in the rulings that if the display is primarily religious in nature, then it is forbidden. If it primarily of another purpose, such as historical or societal, then it is permissible. They also ruled that the "simple existence" of religious significane is not enough to ban a display. That's pretty clear to me. Apparantly the author of the commentary has a problem with clarity.

 

One thing that bothers me is how so many Christians seem to act as if it is "deeply disturbing" to them that these "symbols of Christianity" are being taken down. Yet in reality they have no respect for the Law of God at all.

Fir instance, I used to go to a particular Christian Chat where one guy kept putting me down for my advocating the Ten Commandments. He claimed all we have to do is "believe" and we are saved. Yet when these stories about the Ten Commandment Monuments came out he would say how "so upset" he was that this public symbol of Christianity was being taken down.

He got REALLY mad at me for pointing out that he didnt seem to care at all or give honor to the Ten Commandments in practical life.

I just think it's a little stupid and hypocritical that so many seem to feel this way and will make such a huge deal about the Law of God being on display publically and then removed from sight, yet they continually put down the Ten Commandment Law and claim that it no longer needs to be kept. Why do they care so much about the Ten Commandments all of a sudden?

It just seems like thats all they are to them, is a "symbol" of something. And I dont see what difference it should make to them. It almost seems as if the more a person cares about truth outwardly, the less they care about it inwardly. And the more seem to want to push their beliefs on others, forcing them to do what they think is right.

Let's put it this way... it seems that those who would claim that the Ten Commandments were "done away with" at the cross... are the very ones who seem to want to stir up the most controversy at their outwardly and publically being set aside. Which makes me wonder what is going to happen in the future. I have no trouble picturing them a claiming sort of "outward" respect for the Ten Commandments, but at the same time having the audacity to change, or at least think they can change the Commandments (the Sabbath being the example).

Those who advocate the change of God's Law and the keeping of the Sunday Sabbath are going to be the very ones who try to force the keeping of the commandments upon everyone else. Even when they themselves dont really even keep them.

It's just an interesting development in my opinion. And a disturbing one. I can see the Sunday Laws coming, definitely.

Okay let me explain it this way, this guy I was talking about in the chat room (a voice chat) would mercilessly harass me because I advocated the keeping of the Ten Commandment Law. Then when he reads about this push to take down the Ten Commandment monument he gets on the voice chat and tells everyone how "he was almost in tears" because of it... etc and so forth. And when I pointed out it seemed a tad bit hypocritical of him... boy then he REALLY got angry with me. And the thing is, lots of Christians there felt the same way, it was actually very weird and almost scary.

And then I realized if the Sunday Laws are to happen, which I know that they will, Christians are going to have to develop at least an outward sudden respect for the Ten Commandments... or else why push the Sunday Law? And its funny that those who truly have the least respect for the Law of God are the very ones who are going to try to force their ideas of Christianity upon everyone else, under penalty of the (Government) Law.


Claudia

[ August 03, 2005, 11:51 PM: Message edited by: Claudia_T ]

 

Why have all those 10 commandments monuments been put up in government buildings in the first place?
Seriously.
During the first half of the xxth century church attendence in the Netherlands was higher than in the US (than it collapsed swiftly and completely), but no 10 commandment monuments were put on display overhere during that period. As far as I know no other modern western country on earth outside of Italy (which has laws mandating that crucifixes must be prominently displayed in all governmentbuildings) has had a similar tradition of putting up religious displays in and around government facilities.

 

A great many SCOTUS decisions in the past have been split votes. They're no less the law of the land than unanimous SCOTUS decisions.

 

Amen Bob -

 

"Our surpreme court has the Ten commandment symbols placed all over the outside of the building, ON the doors to the courtoom and then right ABOVE the chairs of the justices as they sit and hear cases. So "we were saying something" about this a long time ago."
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You refer here to the the Supreme Court Building that was build in the 1930's?
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/wash/dc78.htm

"In the hall way between the house and the senate is a large stair well with a huge painting depicting the framing of the constitution. Foremost in the painting is a section where the Bible is being studied and Matthew chapter 5 is being examined."
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Is that the painting by howard Christy discussed in the following link?
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/christy-about.html
That's also a product of the 1930's.

Both seem to be relatively recent phenomena.

Couldn't find anything to date those frescoes in the senate chamber.

 

Prayer at the beginning of each session of a parliament is/was rather common the world over. Hiring somebody to be the prayerleader is a bit more unusual.

 

On the contrary. It shows that he was looking strictly at the merits of each case independent of the other. And, in reality, if you look at the merits of each case, they were rather dissimilar.

 

There are different versions of the 10 commandments, Jewish, Catholic and Protestant.
I'm assuming most 10 commandment monuments use the Protestant list. Do all of them?
http://www.biblicalheritage.org/Bible%20Studies/10%20Commandments.htm

 

Yes Bob I am very well aware that the numberings aren't part of the bibletext.
All those pictures of monuments I've seen over the years were numbered however.
There are 3 (not 2 like you seem to think) different traditions of numbering the 10 commandments.
Now I ask again, is the Protestant numbering scheme the one always used?