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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by utilyan, May 8, 2021.

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  1. utilyan

    utilyan Well-Known Member
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    Lets say its a given God doesn't love everyone, There is no free will.

    Now there is a Human telling God, pleading to God to forgive all Humans.

    God ordained, fated, meticulously authored with purpose, for a human to tell himself he ought to be more forgiving.

    What's it mean when "GOD" who doesn't love everyone creates a person with a purpose to tell himself he ought to love everyone?

    Who is really talking to who? Who really authored this post?
     
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    Psalms 5:5-6, Psalms 11:5.
    Romans 1:18-32.
    Romans 3:10-18.
    John 3:19-20.

    Our will is biased against God from the git-go,
    so our will as men is not actually free, but rather in bondage to our love of sin.
    No, He did not.

    He created a human and allowed that human to fall into sin, and part of that sin was in presuming that he or she could tell ( or even ask ) God what they wanted Him to do with regard to saving and forgiving all of mankind.

    That is a line that we as His creations should never cross.
     
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    It means that that person thinks that God should cater to his or her wishes,
    and not to His own purposes and grace.

    Their will, and not God's will.

    The Lord Jesus very plainly exhibited the opposite of this attitude in Matthew 26:39, Mark 14:36, Luke 22:42, and John 6:38...
    An attitude that His people are to have as well.

    That said, if His own purpose and grace is extended to that person,
    He may desire to answer that prayer if it is according to His will ( 1 John 5:14 ),
    and if He has already decided to honor their prayers because they already rest in His favor.

    Moses was one such person, as was David, Peter, Paul, Job and many others.
    Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were as well.
    The person who wanted God to do something that He may or may not have wanted to do.
    Please see Romans 9:13-24, Exodus 33:19, Daniel 4:35 and many others.

    God does not hear sinners, but only the righteous ( John 9:31, Proverbs 15:29, Psalms 11:7, Psalms 145:19, Psalms 66:18, Psalms 34:15, James 5:16 ).
    Therefore, if He answers anyone favorably, that person must be a recipient of His grace through Jesus Christ.

    That righteousness is imputed ( credited ), not earned by works or desires ( Titus 3:5-7 ).
     
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    Who are you to say what the potter potted?

    How much did that person author message themselves? GOD ordained and fated for that person to not do otherwise.

    God wrote it. And it happened.



    Its not about convincing me of anything. he wrote me as planned.
     
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    The Lord ( the Potter ) says quite a bit about those who love Him versus those who do not.

    It is not altogether impossible to determine who may be saved and not be saved,
    if one knows what to look for and enough time has gone by since their supposed conversion.
    Take a look at 1 John 4:1-21 and 1 John 5:1-13, as well as 1 John 2:15 and Romans 8:9.

    Those who really love this world and its ways are not God's people.
    Those who do not have the Spirit are not His, and those whose fruits are bad, are not His.

    Believers can and will know false teachers, for example, and they can do so by their fruits ( Matthew 7:15-20 ).
    A bad tree cannot bring forth good fruits, neither can a good tree bring forth bad, my friend.
    There is a list of the good and bad, in Galatians 5:19-23.

    If you see any professing Christian refusing to accept God words, then they are not His ( John 8:47 ).
    If you see any professing Christian who continually berates people with no regard for godly correction, then there's a real good chance that that person is not who they claim to be.

    Again, a bad "tree" cannot bring forth good, godly "fruit" that remains...
    It's literally impossible.
    I agree.
    Where He planned for you and I to go ( Romans 9:22-24 ), was His to do.

    Contrary to what man's philosophy says, God's word teaches that we don't get to pick our destiny.
    We're all sinners, and He picks where He wants sinners to go...
    To be with Him, or to pay for their sins.


    Good evening to you, sir.
     
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    That had nothing to do with what he asked you.
     
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