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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Hermeneut7, Aug 7, 2017.

  1. TCassidy

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    Your entire posts looks like a fanciful eschatological scheme to me. Trying to draw parallels where none, obviously, exist. :rolleyes:
     
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    The binding of satan would also mean no more wars, hunger, sickness, and the earth will have paradise been restored!
     
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    Scriptures added to my post.

    Features of the "millennium" include:
    1. The binding of Satan, so the nations are not deceived;
    2. The souls of the martyrs live & reign as priests in the first resurrection;
    3. The unbelieving dead have no part in the first resurrection;
    4. Satan will be unbound & deceive the nations, leading a rebellion that is defeated without a battle by fire from heaven;
    5. The rebellion ends in the same way as the Revelation 19rebellion, both being described in the same terms as the Gog/Magog prophecy;
    6. The resurrection & final judgment follows the Millennium.

    1. Christ bound Satan at Calvary, & commissioned his Apostles to take the Gospel to the nations, according to the first promise to Abram;
      Matthew 12:28-29 John 12:31-33 Matthew 28:18-20
    2. The status of believers as kings & priests is described in Revelation 1. Jesus speaks of conversion as a (spiritual) resurrection - passing from death to life, & contrasts it with the final resurrection for judgement;
      Revelation 1:4-6 John 5:24-29
    3. The unbelievers have no part in conversion, nor spiritual resurrection;
      Ephesians 2:1-5
    4. It is feasible that God allows this final rebellion just as he allowed the Canaanites, & the Sodomites, & this generation to fill up their sins prior to judgment;
      Genesis 15:16 Genesis 18:20-33 Matthew 23:31-33
    5. Fire & death precede the Final coming of Christ;
      2 Thessalonians 1:6-10
    6. Jesus returns to raise & judge the dead.
      John 5:28-29 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10
    And the next event after the present millennium is the NH&NE - no fanciful eschatological scheme. Revelation 21 2 Peter 3:13

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    Acts 2:17 and Hebrews 1:2 teach that the last days are the Gospel days - the present "dispensation."

    2 Peter 3 teaches that the scoffers were saying "Where is the promise of his coming?" Jesus had not come in the 30 years since he had warned that he would, & many of this generation had already died. Peter reminds them about the antediluvians who had been given 120 years during which righteousness was preached. Genesis 6:3 2 Peter 2:4-6

    Peter recognises the thousand year teaching, whether from "Jewish fables" or from reading Revelation, & speaks of it as an indefinite period to end with the day of the Lord . 2 Peter 3:8-10

    Jesus teaches that his coming to judge the tribes of the land
    Matthew 24:30 Revelation 1:7 will take place in the lifetime of this generation, and that another great event was scheduled at an unknown time - Heaven and earth shall pass away Matthew 24:34-35

    He gave specific advice concerning the destruction, so the believers would know when to flee the city.

    He proceeds to give general advice as to how all should live, as he would be coming for judgment at at unknown time. Matthew 24:42
     
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    We have three enemies, Satan, the World, and our sinful desires. Would binding Satan, un-corrupt the world's value system (two wrongs make a right, might makes right, and so forth? And what about our corruption and depravity? Would binding Satan fix the corruption that occurred when Adam and Eve's eyes were "opened" after eating the forbidden fruit?
     
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    Binding, even totally destroying Satan, would not make the world righteous, nor save a single soul. But Satan did claim ownership of the kingdoms of the world at the temptation. Before Calvary there is no record of any Gentiles being saved except through Israel. e.g. Ruth, Naaman, the Ninevites. Through the Gospel only Christ is the way of salvation; the gates of Hell are opened for sinners to come to Christ.

    Jesus is King of kings & Lord of lords.
     
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    The OT saints were not saved?

    Are they in hell?

    HankD
     
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    Your logic is extraordinary.
    Speaking of the dead Patriarchs, Jesus said God is God of the living. While John specifically mentions the martyrs, all the dead who lived by faith are there in glory. Psalms 23. Psalms 73
     
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    One little prob, Sportzz Fanzz:

    Satan is NOT bound. He still plants suggestions in peoples' minds, causes some to invent false doctrines, makes saints feel guilty about past sins, etc. etc. Did ISIS or Al-Qaeda arise on its own? Hos about the false doctrines of "name it-claim it", "word/faith/prosperity", "salvation by works", the KJVO myth, preterism, and hundreds more false doctrines, sects, & cults?

    Plainly, there are three dispensations:
    1.) The Old Covenant, which was made with Israel only. God judged the people who hadn't heard of Him by their hearts and acts toward their fellow men then, so He certainly dealt with man differently than He now does.

    2.) The new Covenant of belief and faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior, the "age" we live in now.

    3.) The relationship between God & man in the next world.

    Those three disps are certainly real, and they're the only ones I believe.

    Remember this axiom: YOU CANNOT OVER-STUDY THE BIBLE! No matter how many times you've read it from cover-to-cover, the HOLY SPIRIT will teach you something new to you from it every time you open it & read with the intent to learn. And remember to reject all doctrines of faith & worship not found in Scripture, which includes both hyper-dispensationalism and preterism.
     
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    You are the one sir that made the extraordinary remark.

    "Before Calvary there is no record of any Gentiles being saved except through Israel."

    Abraham was not an Israelite but was from Ur of the Chaldees, then Isaac and of course Jacob (Israel) probably not Job either as Job probably predates Israel.

    HankD
     
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    This is similar to other inquiries of the past given to preterists.

    Why is there still sin and death, cemeteries, hospitals, jails.War and rumors of war?
    if all has been fulfilled will sin and death continue on as it is now into eternity?

    HankD
     
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    Satan cannot be bound until the rightful King takes His throne here on earth!
     
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    Adam and eve were Jewish?
     
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    They were everything.
    :)
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    IF this earth right now has satan bound, and Jesus is in direct control f it, ISIS, North Korea Doughboy and others did not get the memo!
     
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    Right. Satan won't be confined to the abyss til AFTER Jesus returns.
     
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    I guess some would take them as being symbolic!
     
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    Let no one say there are/were no dispensations. God definitely dealt with people before Jesus came in a different way than He does now. Back then, he had given His law only to Israel, and to gain His favor, the Israelis followed the law as best they could, offering sacrifices to ask for forgiveness of their violations of the law. As for the rest of mankind, God judged them according to their behavior toward their fellow men. That's far-different from how He NOW does. Now, most people have heard the Gospel and have been told the only way to have their sins forgiven is to believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior, & ask Him to forgive those sins.

    And God will certainly deal differently with people in the world to come. Those three dispensations are definitely real, and different from one another.
     
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    Pure hyper-dispensationalism. Keeping the Law never saved. Keeping the Law never gained favor with God. The Law was the Schoolmaster, to show them their error and to direct them to Christ, the Messiah, to have their sins forgiven.

    Hyper-dispensationalism = different "Plan of Salvation" in the OT as opposed to the NT.

    God's word = No "Plan of Salvation." Just Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.
     
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    So, no one was saved before Jesus came?
     
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    Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
     
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