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Featured Good In Bad People?

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    Good In Bad People?

    Are all sinners really “bad” people who can do no “good” towards the Lord, because of their “depraved natures”? Are we to understand passages like Psalm 14:1, “There is no one who does good” (Romans 3:12), literally true of every single human being? In this same Psalm, verse 3 says, “All have turned away; all alike have become corrupt. There is no one who does good, not even one”, this cannot mean “every single human being”, as when this was written, many followed the Lord. In Genesis 6:5, 7, we read, “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them”; yet this did not include “every single human being”, because verse 8 says, “But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD”.

    This is not completely correct, as we will see from the accounts of the King Jeroboam.

    In the Book of 1 Kings, we read of the wicked King Jeroboam:

    “So the king consulted, and made two golden calves, and he said to them, ‘It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem; behold your gods, O Israel, that brought you up from the land of Egypt.’ He set one in Bethel, and the other he put in Dan. Now this thing became a sin, for the people went to worship before the one as far as Dan. And he made houses on high places, and made priests from among all the people who were not of the sons of Levi,” (12:28-31)

    And, in 2 Kings:

    “When He had torn Israel from the house of David, they made Jeroboam the son of Nebat king. Then Jeroboam drove Israel away from following the Lord and made them commit a great sin. The sons of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he did; they did not depart from them until the Lord removed Israel from His sight, as He spoke through all His servants the prophets. So Israel was carried away into exile from their own land to Assyria until this day,” (17:21-23)

    And, in 2 Chronicles 11:15, we read:

    “He set up priests of his own for the high places, for the satyrs and for the calves which he had made,”

    In 2 Kings 14:24, we are told of Jeroboam;

    “And he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord: he departed not from all the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin”

    In 1 Kings 14, we read:

    “7 Go, tell Jeroboam, ‘Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel: “Because I exalted you from among the people and made you leader over my people Israel 8 and tore the kingdom away from the house of David and gave it to you, and yet you have not been like my servant David, who kept my commandments and followed me with all his heart, doing only that which was right in my eyes, 9 but you have done evil above all who were before you and have gone and made for yourself other gods and metal images, provoking me to anger, and have cast me behind your back, 10 therefore behold, I will bring harm upon the house of Jeroboam and will cut off from Jeroboam every male, both bond and free in Israel, and will burn up the house of Jeroboam, as a man burns up dung until it is all gone. 11 Anyone belonging to Jeroboam who dies in the city the dogs shall eat, and anyone who dies in the open country the birds of the heavens shall eat, for the Lord has spoken it.”’ 12 Arise therefore, go to your house. When your feet enter the city, the child shall die. 13 And all Israel shall mourn for him and bury him, for he only of Jeroboam shall come to the grave, because in him there is found something pleasing to the Lord, the God of Israel, in the house of Jeroboam. 14 Moreover, the Lord will raise up for himself a king over Israel who shall cut off the house of Jeroboam today. And henceforth, 15 the Lord will strike Israel as a reed is shaken in the water, and root up Israel out of this good land that he gave to their fathers and scatter them beyond the Euphrates, because they have made their Asherim, provoking the Lord to anger. 16 And he will give Israel up because of the sins of Jeroboam, which he sinned and made Israel to sin.”

    What is very interesting in this passage of doom, is what God says in verse 13:

    “And all Israel shall mourn for him and bury him, for he only of Jeroboam shall come to the grave, because in him there is found something pleasing to the Lord, the God of Israel, in the house of Jeroboam”

    In all of Jeroboam’ many evil sins, “there is found something pleasing to the Lord”. The KJV reads, “some good thing”.

    There are some who teach, that fallen humans are not capable of “doing any good”, and some go as far as saying, that they are “haters of God”. There is no evidence in the accounts that we read of King Jeroboam, to say that he “loved the Lord”, in fact, he made sure that he caused God’s people, Israel, to rebel and sin against the Lord, to “provoke Him to anger”. Yet, also in this wicked and evil, godless person, there was, “something pleasing to the Lord”.

    In fact, Acts 10:34-35 clearly says;

    “Then Peter began to speak: "In truth, I understand that God doesn't show favoritism, but in every nation the person who fears Him and does righteousness is acceptable to Him

    It is clear, that there are people who “fear” (phobeō, also used for “to stand in awe of”, “to have great respect for”, “reverence”) the Lord, even though they might not be “believers” and “follow” Him; who can “do righteousness” which is “acceptable” to the Lord.

    “He that feareth him - This is put for piety toward God in general” (Barnes)

    Can this include even the Roman Catholic nuns and monks? Who might not be “born again believers”, but do things that are “pleasing to the Lord”? They are not “haters” of God. However, their “good works” and “life-style”, cannot “merit” them salvation, as we are not Justified by our “works”.
     
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    John 3:16-18 is very clear, that God GREATLY LOVES the entire human race, desiring that every single sinner would repent of their sins, and believe in Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour and Lord. There are not exceptions to this in God's plan, and it is an affront to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and Christ Himself, for anyone to place an "limit" on the extent of the Death of Jesus Christ. The universal Death of Jesus Christ for all sinners, does not mean, "Universal Salvation", as each sinner must conform to the Just Demands of God, for their salvation.
     
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    It is not in man’s nature to conform…. Not without Gods gift of grace.
     
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    point is, that every single human being is LOVED by the Lord, and He desires their salvation. Yes, all sinners must be first "convicted" by the Holy Spirit, of their sins, and need for Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord.
     
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    Romans 8:7-8 confirms this. Perfect submission to God, coming from a perfectly pure heart is impossible for the unbeliever. Even as believers our obedience is marred with sin, which is why our standing before God is on account of Christ's righteousness accredited to us.
    So no, unbelievers can do nothing that pleases God.
     
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    Now here is the thing, after regeneration can we remain scoundrels?
     
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    Wasn’t Lucifer at one time one of Gods most trusted angels? But for some reason he was thrown outa heaven. Now I hear that he is the king of sinners … interestingly not in the book of Job though. In any event, as one of Gods creatures does God love him also? Certainly God would want to redeem him also? I’m sure he is a colorful character and heaven is, I believe is a duller place for Lucifer’s absence. :Wink
     
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    Same old broken record. Yes it is true of every person before they are regenerated.
     
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    so what the Bible says about King Jeroboam, who was a evil King, who turned Israel against God, and of whom God says, "because in him there is found something pleasing to the Lord, the God of Israel, in the house of Jeroboam", does not matter, and you expect us to take what you say, above the Word of God? You are deluded!
     
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    there are those who are "born-again", whose lives are not "Christian"
     
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    the devil is different, and has no bearing on God's salvation, which is not offered to angels, as Hebrews 1:16 says

    For it is clear that He does not reach out to help angels, but to help Abraham’s offspring
     
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    Hmmm…I'm wondering, is scripture a gospel for sinners, or is it for righteous (for people who have all the boxes checked).
     
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    Um, that verse isn't talking about Jeroboam....
     
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    But how can that be…watch out, Puritanical ideals prevail here on this board these days. :Biggrin
     
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    Never mind.
     
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    Are they really born again? There is the question.
     
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    Luke 5:32 answers this, "I have not come to call the righteous to repentance, but sinners.”
     
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    what?
     
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    Oh did he do that for Job? Wasn’t Job an offspring of Abraham? And are you suggesting that Gods covenant with Abraham was somehow demonic!?!
     
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