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Featured Grace and Mercy, What's the difference?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Mikey, Nov 1, 2018.

  1. Mikey

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    So the text book answer is "mercy is God not punishing us as our sins deserve, and grace is God blessing us despite the fact that we do not deserve it. Mercy is deliverance from judgment. Grace is extending kindness to the unworthy."

    Thus Mercy and Grace are two distinct and separate attributes. An act is either Mercy or Grace but it cannot be both.


    However is mercy not a part of grace? for grace is extending mercy to the unworthy. mercy is a specific type of grace. all mercy is grace but not all grace is mercy.

    What do yous think?
     
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    I believe that all of God's merciful acts are gracious and all of God's gracious acts are merciful. They are inextricably linked together.
     
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    so would you use mercy and grace interchangeably?
     
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    1 Timothy 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

    1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

    1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

    I agree with the following statement... Here, we clearly see that the meaning of grace is broader than that of mercy.

    Paul had reason to expect punishment or harsh treatment because of his zealous persecutions of the early Christians. Instead, he received unexpected benevolence and forgiveness. He himself was called to be a Christian and a minister of the truth! That mercy, however, did not forgive his sins and justify him before God. That was given by grace—by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ... Brother Glen:)
     
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    No, sir. They are distinctly different but inextricably linked.
    Grace is God giving us that which we do not deserve; mercy is God not giving us what we do deserve.
     
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    Mercy is when the Lord withheld judging me before was saved, by allowing good things to still happen to me instead, while Grace is when He saved me!
     
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    okay so you agree with the standard view.

    why do you disagree that mercy is a form of grace?
     
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    Friend, I do not disagree at all. I stated above that all of God's merciful acts are gracious.
     
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    God has mercy upon the lost, and upon those yet to get saved, but His grace is saving grace!
     
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    indeed. God is love everything He does is gracious.

    However theres two definitions,
    "Grace is God giving us that which we do not deserve; mercy is God not giving us what we do deserve." this is the standard definition of the difference between Mercy and Grace. examples: so God not sending a murder to death (just punishment) is mercy, as God is NOT doing something we deserve. God giving food to the starving is Grace, for God DID something we do not deserve.

    thus mercy and Grace are separate yet obviously connected attributes.

    the alternative definition makes Mercy a particular type of grace. mercy is grace rather than a separate attribute.
     
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    there is also general grace. this is not saving grace but for all. "He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." Matthew 5:45
     
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    From Titus 3:5 according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;



    YLT Eph 2:8 for by grace ye are having been saved, through (the) faith, and this not of you -- of God the gift,

    TR 2:8 τῇ γὰρ χάριτί ἐστε σεσῳσμένοι διὰ (τῆς) πίστεως καὶ τοῦτο οὐκ ἐξ ὑμῶνθεοῦ τὸ δῶρον



    -------------------- Result -------------------- Means -------------------- Because of



    Titus ------------- He saved us

    ------------------------------------------------- by washing of regeneration and renewing of Holy Spirit

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mercy



    Eph -------------- Having been saved

    ------------------------------------------------- by grace

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Faith





    I believe mercy and the faith have something to with Christ pouring out his soul unto death, shedding his soul blood, Lev 17:11 and the result was life from the dead, the grace of God.



    The reason Paul states: I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Gal 2:21
     
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    Yes, but not in the same someone not Calvinist would see God sending saving Grace towards all sinners!
     
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    sorry don't quite understand what you're saying.
     
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    Non Calvinists see God having saving Grace applied towards all persons, and up to them to accept/reject, while we hold that he applies saving grace just towards His elect in Christ!
     
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    John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

    6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

    6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

    6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Christ alone... Saves his own!... Brother Glen:)
     
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    Mercy is not getting what you deserve,
    Grace is getting what you do not deserve.
    There is no link because they are opposites.
     
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    If God gives you a pardon it is Grace, for you have received something (pardon) that you do not deserve.
    But a pardon is a reprieve from a punishment that one deserves therefore Mercy.

    So a pardon is both mercy and grace. thus this seems to support my definition that mercy is a part of grace.

    How can something both be mercy and grace if they are opposites and there is no link?
     
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    Mercy without justice is not righteous mercy. Justice has no place for mercy and to remain just. Grace is unmerited favor. Mercy given where justice is deserved is grace. Now only our God is both merciful and just.
    ". . . For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. . . ." -- Romans 3:23-26.
     
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    no, Mercy is not getting the deserved punishment before the pardon.

    Grace is being elevated from the prison to the palace as Joseph was in Egypt

    We do not deserve Grace .

    A double negative explanation seems wrong to describe Mercy as Grace
     
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