Grocery Store and the Gibson Movie !

Likewise!

 

The thing is we can sit here and go back and forth all day, We'll never know till we meet Christ Himself.Till we meet then,God Bless All.
See ya next week.

 

Servent:

If GOD chose to use a donkey, why not Mel and his movie, hey same thing.

S&T:

That's an easy one.
A) The donkey spoke His Word, and did not mix in his own.

B) The donkey was one of God's creations, and was not a "mystical" donkey.

C) The donkey was not elevated as co-redeemer of part of a salvation process.

 

Dear Servent,
I do wish you a great week. God Bless. But, I must say, there is a way we can know. The fundamental problem I have had with this movie is not the bloodshed or gore, that should be expected from William Wallace; the fundamental problem I have is the way that it portrays that we really have no way of knowing.

That is what bothers me.

As I said however, I do wish you a wonderfully blessed week.

Bro. Dallas

 

Ok, I know the movie has Catholic undertones (or overtones...whatever), but I did not see where Mary was elevated to co-Redeemer in this movie...am I the only one?? Catholics may hold her to that station, but I did not see it in this movie...maybe simply because I don't believe it...

Kathy
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Kathy:

but I did not see where Mary was elevated to co-Redeemer in this movie...am I the only one??

S&T:

Did you miss the part where they all called her Mother with a capital M, and also the part where Peter bowed before her to ask forgiveness, and then told her he wasn't worthy? How about the scene where she gave God permission to let Him be sacrificed? She was there in every scene as an integral part. Scripture does not state this.

 

As I said previously, I didn't see it because I don't believe it...none of those things swayed me in the least...I'm not converting to Catholicism...

Kathy
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If you study the Scriptural role Mary plays, it says everyone, including Mary, abandoned Christ. Psalm 38:11, Psalm 31:11, Luke 23:49, etc.

In the movie, she is portrayed as being there, understanding and giving permission for the events, and so on and that is fully catholic doctrine.

From the point of Jesus handing Mary over to the apostle, from the cross....she is never again referred to as His mother. John 19:26-27 She is always referred to, from then on, in relation to her other children..James, Joses, Salome, etc.

Mark 15: 40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome; and v 47...etc.

That whole concept eliminates the Mary elevation held within the movie and by catholics.
Hope that helps.

 

Excellent response SS

If I may add this - Mel's aristic license or bent in this movie was suppposed to be aimed at Catholics. It is a Catholic movie about the 14 stations of the cross and the mass.

Mel has stated that he was surprised it was embraced by Christians, even though he promoted it to Christian Leadership, because of its "Marianology" which is the worship of Mary as co-redemptrix with Jesus.

I think the reason Christians do not perceive the movie in this way is because most are not aware of the implications of Catholicism in the Movie. If Mel had depicted Mary with a crown [she is referred to as the "Queen of Heaven"], Christians would have never embraced this movie, but ridiculed it.

I think Paul stated it best in
2 Cor 11
13 For such ones are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 Did not even Satan marvelously transform himself into an angel of light?
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves as ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works.

In other words, the works of the enemy look good, taste good, feel good. This is how he tricked Eve and we know the rest of that story

 

Kathy,

You may have missed the details in the movie, that amounts to making it a Marian "shrine", but many others did not:

http://www.cin.org/Miravalle.html

 

Good morning all and welcome to a new week it's starting out to be beautiful day here in Texas.
S&T I really meant that more as a joke. Please folks I do not support Mel or his movie I just want to be a good witness for Christ, I know the movie does not follow scripture, but I also know that many people both christian and non are going to see this movie and it is up to us to make sure they know the truth. The problem is as I see it that there is so much bickering going back and forth people dont know who to listen to, and that's a shame because satan is getting just what he wants.

 

Servent:

The problem is as I see it that there is so much bickering going back and forth people dont know who to listen to, and that's a shame because satan is getting just what he wants.

S&T:

satan alread got what he wants. He got people to attend a movie that was a Marian "shrine" and full of forbidden mysticism, and to believe and even defend the errant scripturally inaccurate portrayal of a ficticious Jesus . A "Jesus" that was fearful, who's divinity was denied by Mel's presentation of Him.

 

OK,and as I have said what we need to do is be ready with the truth. What do you suggest.

 

Servent:

OK,and as I have said what we need to do is be ready with the truth. What do you suggest.

S&T:

I suggest that we not tell anyone to go and see this junk. I also suggest that we inform leadership of their error in promoting this film.

 

Ok,the problem with that is that people go to the movies,we dont have to tell them,they are going to see for themselfs it's human nature.As for the leaders you spoke of, how many of them have you written and told this to.

 

I personally have written to several predominate ministries including, Billy Graham, James Dobson, Family Life Today, Greg Laurie of Harvest Ministries of CA, Pat Robertson, and my local Christian Radio stations who have all promoted the movie as an evangelistic tool. I have received no answers back from anyone. In fact, the radio stations are still repeatedly promoting "The Passion" and still urging their listeners to go and to bring the unsaved with them.

The Christian Bookstores [including Family Christian Bookstores - Zondervan's Corp is located in my city and started this chain of bookstores which are all over the US] are promoting product from the movie. Mel Gibson has this product line and is reaping the profits from these things as well.

The following article shows what is being presented to the public as the latest rage in jewelry [registered to Mel]. Perhaps the violence of the movie has "moved" people to sport about wearing execution symbols.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02192004/news/regionalnews/18338.htm

'JESUS' NAIL SALE
By WILLIAM NEUMAN
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February 19, 2004 -- Replicas of the nails used to hang Jesus on the cross have become the red-hot official merchandise linked to Mel Gibson's controversial new movie, "The Passion of the Christ."
Pendants made from the pewter, 2 1/2-inch nails - selling for $16.99 - all but flew out of the Christian Publications Bookstore on West 43rd Street as soon as they were put on display.

Hundreds of stores across the country will be selling licensed items tied to the movie, a graphically violent depiction of the last 12 hours of Christ's life, which opens next week on Ash Wednesday.

The souvenirs include a book, pins, key chains, coffee mugs and T-shirts.

But the most unusual collectibles are the nails, each of which hangs on a leather cord.

Its side bears the inscription "Isaiah 53:5," referring to a Bible verse that begins, "He was pierced for our transgressions . . ."

The Family Christian Store in Newark, Del., received a large shipment of merchandise to sell at a preview screening of the film on Monday.

"The response so far has been overwhelming . . . They want to buy this product," the store's manager, Tina Weldon, said of the nail pendants.

"It's very symbolic for a lot of people."

A California company is manufacturing the pendants and other merchandise under a licensing agreement with Gibson. Neither Gibson nor the manufacturer returned calls yesterday.

"The cross has become such a benign jewelry item . . . The shock of its original form . . . is lost to modern people," said Charles Houser, publications manager at the American Bible Society's Nida Institute for Biblical Scholarship.

"Choosing the detail of the spike would be to reinvigorate the image. They're really trying to capture that this was that day's form of execution."

But the Rev. Forrest Church, of All Souls Unitarian Church on the Upper East Side, called the pendants "macabre."

"I expect the prominence of the nail reflects the prominence of the gore in the movie itself," he said.

"That becomes the icon for identification."

The film itself has sparked controversy, too. Jewish leaders fear it could foster anti-Semitism, but Gibson says the film is not anti-Jewish.

 

The raido station and bookstores in my area are doing the same, that is why I keep saying we must be ready with the truth,The fact is people are going to go see the movie and buy all this junk, nothing we say is going to stop them. the leaders who have come out to support it have done a big injustice,So what do we as Bible believeing christians do about it.The movie by itself can do much harm,If we as christians talk to people who have seen the movie take the movie and the bible and show them the differance, dont beat them over the head with how unscriptural it is, show them the truth. The movie is out weather we like it or not now what happens with it is up to us.

 

This is EXACTLY what I have been trying to tell people who are so negative about the movie. Millions of people are going to see it whether we like it or not. USE that opportunity to witness to those who do and are curious. This is an opportunity like we have not seen in this country for years!

AMEN! Excellent Post!

 

Good idea, and I think while you are at it you could run ads on MTV telling kids who have seen the movie to ignore that Jesus they saw being beaten and sacrificed for our sin, simply because the movie was full of witchcraft. . . That'll tell them and fix it all.

 

Phillip you said "Good idea, and I think while you are at it you could run ads on MTV telling kids who have seen the movie to ignore that Jesus they saw being beaten and sacrificed for our sin, simply because the movie was full of witchcraft . . . "

Good for YOU Phillip!!!!....the first step is admitting it....now you are on the road to recovery!

You really don't need to do the MTV ads though. All you need to do is tell the truth about the movie...it is not based on Scriptural truth, that is not how Jesus really looked, was beaten-Scripturally and historically, nor how He was or is.That is a false presentation. But I can surely show you the real Jesus that I know.

The movie is not the answer. Providing the truth is.