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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Helen, Sep 23, 2005.

  1. Craigbythesea

    Craigbythesea Active Member

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    Helen wrote,
    This is NOT a moot argument when one considers its application to babies, those who are intellectually challenged, and those who have not had the opportunity to have the gospel message clearly presented to them.

    This is NOT a moot argument because Paul expressly argued the point from the Old Testament—and Paul ONLY does that when he is making a VERY significant theological point. We sinned in Adam and that sin was imputed to us by God. Please stick to the Bible and what the Bible says about this matter in Rom. 5:12-19. This passage EXPRESSLY teaches the imputation of Adam’s sin to all of his posterity. It says ABOLUTELY nothing about a “sin nature.”

    Note to Helen,

    I did NOT insult your character or your person in my posts that were edited by Blackbird. I used a play on words and a parody of some of your statements. Blackbird radically misunderstood my words. Personally, I hold you in very high regard as a Christian sister who is committed to defending God and His word in the context of your understanding of it. Never, absolutely never, have I meant to demean your character or your person.

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  2. Helen

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    I appreciate that, Craig. Thank you.

    Are you implying, by the way, that my profoundly retarded 21 year old son is hellbound?

    Weren't his sins, as well as mine, atoned for?
     
  3. Craigbythesea

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    Helen wrote,

    NO! I am NOT implying that your son is hell-bound or bound for any other place than the arms of Jesus Himself! It is my personal conviction that your son’s sins were atoned for by the blood that Jesus shed for all of us. Paul teaches very clearly that your son sinned in Adam, as we all have. Paul also very clearly teaches that Jesus undid what Adam did in reference to your son.

    Have no fear! Your son is very precious in the sight of God and the atonement of Christ was more than sufficient to cleanse him from all unrighteousness, including that of Adam.

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    Actually, he is in far more danger if you are right and God does not regenerate sinners independent of their free will choice.
     
  5. Helen

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    The law has never come into his life. Therefore sin is dead in him and has never had the power to kill him (separate him from God) spiritually. I am not saying sin is not there and I am not saying he is not a sinner. I am saying what Paul said in Romans 7, that without the law, sin is dead--and therefore does not have any power over him.

    Keep in mind I am not denying he is a sinner. I am not denying he has a sin nature. I am denying that he has ever died spiritually, though. That doesn't make him any less in need of Christ as his Savior, however.
     
  6. ituttut

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    Amen!
     
  7. Helen

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    Thanks for helping me clarify myself! That is always appreciated. Yes, it is a matter of trying, not of doing, where warning another is concerned. We are told that if we know something is wrong but do not warn the person doing it, that we are at least partly responsible.

    I have 75 tons of topsoil arriving imminently so I don't have time to look up that passage, but I'm hoping you know what I am talking about!

    One note: Satan has never had to use any other temptation with men, has he?
    Did God REALLY say...?
    Think for yourself....then you will be like God...

    That's all it has ever taken! How sad.
     
  8. ituttut

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    Passing on this.
     
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