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Hades, Heaven and Hell.

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 37818, Jan 13, 2022.

  1. 37818

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    There is a spectrum of beliefs on this subject.
    The view I hold I will try to explain.
    Hades/Sheol/the nether world.
    It has two compartments.
    * An upper place where believers went.
    Also known as Paradise.
    * And a lower place where the lost were held to Judgement.
    Deuteronomy 32:22. Psalms 86:13.
    Luke 16:19-31.
    Luke 23:47.
    Jesus after His resurrection, ascended to Heaven, He moved Paradise to Heaven.
    Ephesians 4:6.
    2 Corinthians 5:8. Believers now go to Heaven when they die.
    When Jesus appears the second time He will bring believers from Heaven to be resurrected.
    1 Thessalonians 4:14.
     
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    Gets an "Amen" from me.

    And death and hades will be cast into the lake of fire.

    While those who are born again are with the lord forever.

    Wow. I read the end of the book. Sorry.
     
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    Sir I started this thread because I offended a brother on this board in another thread related to this very topic.
    My post was wrongly worded.

     
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    No Amen for the fictional move of Paradise from Abraham's bosom to the Third Heaven.
     
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    Luke 23:43, ". . . To day shalt thou be with Me in Paradise. . . ."
    Acts of the Apostles 2:31, ". . . of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in Hades . . . ."

    2 Corinthians 12, ". . . the third heaven. . . . Paradise . . . ."

    Ephesians 4:8, ". . . When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, . . ."

    2 Corinthains 5:8, ". . . to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. . . ."
     
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    Clearly the third heaven (the abode of God) is Paradise.
    Clearly the OT saints waiting in Abraham's bosom were "led captivity captive" to the third heaven, Paradise.

    No verse or passage says or suggests Abraham's bosom was Paradise.
     
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    It is now, but it was not prior to the ascension of the Lord.

    Remember, after the resurrection many saw the long dead saints walking the streets.
    17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”

    If Paradise was already in the third heaven, then Christ would have already seen the Father an have ascended. But neither took place yet. Therefore, Paradise was removed and taken to heaven.

    Paradise was moved with the OT saints upon the ascension of the Lord.

    This is true, just as many other principles in the Scriptures are attained by inference.

    But you already knew all this.

    So why do you post as you did?
     
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    For the general knowledge of the reader, the OT uses "paradise" to refer to more than the keeping of the saints.
     
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    I kid you not, before Christ's ascension, He referred to Paradise as His destination. Thus the third heaven was Paradise before the ascension. The answer to "I have not ascended to the Father" refers to the risen Christ, in His resurrected body, rather than spiritually on the day of His physical death.
     
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