Harry Potter - Saint or Sinner?

So you think because it is made up it is ok? Because it fiction? yah, well so is hinduism, islam, mormonism.
In that case there can't be anything worng with watching or reading anything that is fictional. No mattter what it contains, or it's rating, after all it's only fictional.

 

Results about the end of 15 July 2005:


Poll Results: Harry Potter - Saint or Sinner? (37 votes.)
Have you read a Harry Potter novel?
Choose 1
Yes 35% (13)

No 65% (24)

In your opinion are Harry Potter novels laden with Satanism?
Choose 1
I read a Harry Potter novel and did not think it was Satanic 32% (12)

I read a Harry Potter novel and thought it contained Satanism 3% (1)

I have not read a Harry Potter novel but believe they contain Satanism 32% (12)

I have not read a Harry Potter novel but do not think they are Satanic 32% (12)

I see amoung those who have NOT read any
Harry Potter novel, that the results are the
same as what you would get if the voters had
flipped coins

 

I remember a few years ago the big discussion on here was R.L. Stien's Goospbumps book. What do you think of those, do you or your children read those.

 

How many here are going, or have gone already to see the new Nicole Kidman film Bewitched? Should a christian watch a film about witches?

 

i won't be seeing it.

 

Me either Donna, and I am tipping for the same reason!

 

Donna,

You are assuming that the books "teach" witchcraft. They do not.

You are also judging others - something which the bible is also very clear about.

You are also siding with the Roman Catholics.

If you have read the books, and have decided that they endorse Satanic activities, then by all means, DON'T read the next book.

However, many of us read them and saw something more along the lines of "Cinderella" and "Snow White" than we did anything else.

Though, I suppose, you are against THOSE too. They DO contain magic and witches after all.

 

Here is what John Ankerberg has to say on Harry Potter, and the witchcraft that he feels is portrayed though the books.

- Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire: Death and Resurrection
Yes, the Harry Potter books are written as fantasy. BUT, first of all, J. K. Rowling did a lot of research into actual witchcraft beliefs and practices, and she put a lot of that into these books. These articles give a brief overview of the plot of the books and point out some places where you can find practices or philosophies related to witchcraft and the occult.

http://www.johnankerberg.org/hp-articles/hp-articles.htm

 

Brother David (an ex witch) has this to say about Harry Potter;

HARRY POTTER? WHAT DOES GOD HAVE TO SAY?


The Deceit Of Wicca

I am writing this urgent message because I was once a witch. I lived by the stars as an astrologer and numerologist casting horoscopes and spells. I lived in the mysterious and shadowy realm of the occult. By means of spells and magic, I was able to invoke the powers of the "controlling unknown" and fly upon the night winds transcending the astral plane. Halloween was my favorite time of the year and I was intrigued and absorbed in the realm of Wiccan witchcraft. All of this was happening in the decade of the 1960’s when witchcraft was just starting to come out of the broom closet.

It was during that decade of the 1960’s, in the year 1966, that a woman named J.K. Rowling was born. This is the woman who has captivated the world in this year of 2000 with four books known as the "Harry Potter Series." These books are orientational and instructional manuals of witchcraft woven into the format of entertainment. These four books by J.K. Rowling teach witchcraft! I know this because I was once very much a part of that world.

Witchcraft was very different in the 1960’s. There were a lot fewer witches, and the craft was far more secretive. At the end of that spiritually troubled decade, I was miraculously saved by the power of Jesus Christ and His saving blood. I was also delivered from every evil spirit that lived in me and was set free. However, as I began to attend fundamental Christian churches, I realized that even there witchcraft had left its mark. PAGAN HOLIDAYS AND SABATS WERE CELEBRATED AS "CHRISTIAN HOLIDAYS."

As time went on, I watched the so-called "Christian" churches compromising and unifying. I also watched with amazement as teachings from Eastern religions and "New Age" doctrine began to captivate congregations. It was a satanic set-up, and I saw it coming. Illuministic conspirators were bringing forth a one-world religion with a cleverly concealed element of occultism interwoven in its teachings. In order to succeed in bringing witchcraft to the world and thus complete satanic control, an entire generation would have to be induced and taught to think like witches, talk like witches, dress like witches, and act like witches. The occult songs of the 1960’s launched the Luciferian project of capturing the minds of an entire generation. In the song "Sound Of Silence" by Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel, we were told of seeds that were left while an entire generation was sleeping, and that the "vision that was planted in my brain still remains."

Now it is the year 2000. All of the foundations for occultism and witchcraft are in place. The Illuminists have to move quickly, because time is running out. It was the Communist revolutionary Lenin who said, "Give me one generation of youth, and I will transform the entire world." Now an entire generation of youth has been given to a woman named J.K. Rowling and her four books on witchcraft, known as the Harry Potter Series.

As a former witch, I can speak with authority when I say that I have examined the works of Rowling and that the Harry Potter books are training manuals for the occult. Untold millions of young people are being taught to think, speak, dress and act like witches by filling their heads with the contents of these books. Children are obsessed with the Harry Potter books that they have left television and video games to read these witchcraft manuals.

The first book of the series, entitled "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone", finds the orphan, Harry Potter, embarking into a new realm when he is taken to "Hogwart’s School of Witchcraft and Wizardry." At this occult school, Harry Potter learns how to obtain and use witchcraft equipment. Harry also learns a new vocabulary, including words such as "Azkaban", "Circe", "Draco", "Erised", "Hermes", and "Slytherin"; all of which are names of real devils or demons. These are not characters of fiction! How serious is this? By reading these materials, many millions of young people are learning how to work with demon spirits. They are getting to know them by name. Vast numbers of children professing to be Christians are also filling their hearts and minds, while willingly ignorant parents look the other way.

The titles of the books should be warning enough to make us realize how satanic and anti-christ these books are. The afore mentioned title of the first book, "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone", was a real give away. The second book was called "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets", while the third book was entitled "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban."

Sadly enough, this blatant witchcraft has been endorsed by well-known and respected "Christian" leaders, such as Dr. James Dobson and Chuck Colson, who have proven themselves to be modern day Judas Iscariots. Nothing could be more obvious than that Harry Potter books are pure witchcraft and of the devil. The "Christian" leaders, however, defend them by saying that good magic always wins and overcomes evil magic. This is the oldest con game ever hatched out of hell.

As a real witch, I learned about the two sides of "the force." Apparently, so do many "Christian" leaders. When real witches have sabats and esbats and meet as a coven, they greet each other by saying "Blessed be", and when they part, they say "The Force be with you." Both sides of this "Force" are Satan. It is not a good side of the force that overcomes the bad side of the force, but rather it’s the blood of Jesus Christ that destroys both supposed sides of the satanic "Force."

High level witches believe that there are seven satanic princes and that the seventh, which is assigned to Christians, has no name. In coven meetings, he is called "the nameless one." In the Harry Potter books, there is a character called "Voldemort." The pronunciation guide says of this being "He who must not be named."

On July 8 at midnight, bookstores everywhere were stormed by millions of children to obtain the latest and fourth book of the series known as "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire." These books were taken into homes everywhere with a real evil spirit following each copy to curse those homes. July 8th was also the 18th day (three sixes in numerology) from the witches’ sabat of midsummer. July 8th was also the 13th day from the signing of the United Religions Charter in San Francisco. Now we have learned that the public school system is planning to use the magic of Harry Potter in the classrooms making the public schools centers of witchcraft training.

What does God have to say about such books as the Harry Potter series? In the Bible in the book of Acts, we read the following in the 19th chapter, verses 18 – 20: "And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds. Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. So mightily grew the Word of God and prevailed."

As parents, we will answer to God if we allow our children to read witchcraft books. The Word of God will prevail mightily in your life only if such things of Satan are destroyed. This tract has been prayed over, and I hope it has helped you. If we may be of further assistance, please contact us.

Pastor David J. Meyer

Published by:

Last Trumpet Ministries International

PO Box 806

Beaver Dam, WI 53916

 

I have read the Potter Series and consider the books only fair as childrens literature goes. IMHO, once read, they are not worth a second read.

Clearly there is a difference between literature and textbooks.

Classic Literature of the past has given us a lot of these adventures into the shadowy world of spirit creatures. Remember the Dicken's story "The Christmas Carol"?
In it we find a wicked man consulting with dead spirits, divination, astral projection, (what else?). ...still it's such a nice Christmas story.

Rob

 

Not many years ago, the mother of the human race "flirted" with the Devil instead of "fleeing". She was beguiled. Adam succombed to some other lust--willingly.

Harry Potter is a "fade" of the world--what concord has the temple of God with Belial?

"Resist the Devil, and he will flee..."

Selah,

Bro. James

 

I believe the author has serious problems with Christianity...

 

Just in case anybody overlooked it:

www.connieneal.com

Several interesting things there on Harry Potter. Including links on the right side of the page to chapter four of one of Connie Neal's books on Harry Potter.

Karen

 

I believe the Bible teches us that a saint is a beleiver in jesus Christ. In that case thats your answer. HP can't be a saint.

 

I believe the Bible teches us that a saint is a beleiver in jesus Christ. In that case thats your answer. HP can't be a saint. </font>[/QUOTE]I believe common sense teaches us that a fictional character cannot believe or disbelieve anything.

It's fiction. That means "it ain't real"!

 

http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/article-index-h_1.html


http://www.ankerberg.com/hp-articles/hp-book2.htm

 

We should not allow ourselves as servants of the Lord Jesus Christ to have pleasure in things which are against Him.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Using Christmas as a justification to read Harry Potter, or other things which are Satanic will not stand in the day of judgement; 2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

We are commanded to not decorate the tree as the heathen in Jeremiah; Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

No where are we told in the Bible to celebrate the Lord Jesus Christ’s birthday (Which was not on the 25th of December).

Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

 

Sorry that was a reply to deacon (I'm still getting used to using this thing).

 

I believe the Bible teches us that a saint is a beleiver in jesus Christ. In that case thats your answer. HP can't be a saint. </font>[/QUOTE]I believe common sense teaches us that a fictional character cannot believe or disbelieve anything.

It's fiction. That means "it ain't real"! </font>[/QUOTE]your comment sounds like you think I'm dumb. becasue I stand for the word of God.
God did not say no witchcraft unless it's fictional, did HE?
All the junk they put in movies is fictional too. By your reasoning it is all ok for christians. No limits on what we can watch in movies, or read, or listen too in music, it is all ok, becasue it is fictional.
Means it isn't real, for your information.
God doesn't mind at all if it is fictional.

 

Donna, I didn't say you are dumb. I am making the point that when you said Harry Potter doesn't believe in God, it is irrelevant. Fictional characters cannot believe in anything, therefore your comment is illogical.

And where do you come off with assuming I say anything is ok. I never said that, nor implied that.