Featured Have you actually tried using The Way of the Master?

I think you are mistaken on that. IRRC, Rev has defended LS in the previous threads on the topic.

That being said I do agree that there is a difference in you saying WOTM is not the only method God can use, and Rev saying that "one method is as good as another (implying that all are equally useful).

 

What? You do realize I was agreeing with you right?

EDIT: Ok, agreeing may not be the right word, more like supporting.

 

You do realize that you're questioning others' salvation, right?

 

From what I understand about WOTM, I have been using it for years. There can be no salvation until someone sees their need to be saved and how the law must be satisfied for them to be saved.

I use a very simple method. I ask a simple question "how righteous must one be to go to heaven?". I then listen to their response. Regardless of their response I point out that Jesus said that God requires their righteousness EXCEED that of the Scribes and Phariess (Mt. 5:20) and must be EQUAL to God's own righteousness (Mt. 5:48).

I then point out to be "perfect EVEN AS" God is perfect is to be without sin THEIR ENTIRE EXISTENCE, as God had no need of forgiveness, because he never sinned in the past, present or future.

I then ask where are they going to get that kind of righteousness - a entire life of sinlessness?

I close with telling them the good news that is why Christ left heaven and became a man to LIVE A WHOLE LIFE without sin. In addition, to pay an eternal penalty for our sins - neither of which we can possible do - thus our salvation must be a free gift, it must be imputed to us by faith alone and it must be entirely "without works" performed in our own person as we cannot mix our sinful life with his sinless life as the basis of our hope.

 

It is comments like this that cause me to think that you put too much emphasis on the teacher/author rather than the message.

 

Ah, Billy Mays would be proud!



I know Rolf's post makes this point, but it's a point that needs to be made again for you. That's nothing but a cheap effort at a late-night infomercial testimonial.

 

You disagree with his methods; so how do you feel about anyone who claims salvation by those methods?

 

Ohhhhhhh....ha ha ha....lol :thumbsup:

 

Street Barking

 

I just happened to watch your street barking attempt at talking to people. Then I felt rather sad because here is a guy that is very sincere and cares in his heart. He reads all the books, studies his bible, and then goes out presuming God sent him, to bark at people. Then when the barked at people ignore him, he presumes they are all going to hell because they did not respond to the barking. Brother, at least your heart is in the right place.

 

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Chill out dude...they are just poking you. No I have never used it...it is not my way. I have conversations with people individually. I am up front and tell them I am a believer in. JESUS CHRIST....That He is my Lord and Savior. If they want to go beyond that, then I will...that's the choice they make. THATS HOW I ROLL:smilewinkgrin:

 

:thumbs::thumbs:

 

Brother, that is good stuff

 

Not sure what I am missing. The two seem to contradict.

 

You just said that you got saved that way -- but that you also believe it results in false converts. But you're not a false convert?

So do those methods see souls saved or not? If they do, then HOW can you condemn *anything* God uses to bring His elect to Him?

And thus, you may not like it; but if only one soul is saved, then it works.

What I'm trying to point out is that you're violating Romans 14.

And by the way -- who are you to judge another's heart? How do you know, without a doubt, that none of those ten people actually prayed for forgiveness and grace?