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  1. Samuels

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    Please tell me why NT passages such as these do NOT apply to you?

    “… wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to (eternal)
    destruction … narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which
    leads to (eternal) life, and there are few who find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14)
    The truth of the narrow way has not at all been taught in its full reality.
    There are many NT verses which prove how narrow the way really is!

    “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’, shall enter the kingdom
    of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven …
    I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you (approved of you); depart
    from Me, you who practice lawlessness (sin)!’ ” (Matthew 7:21-23)

    There’s much more to doing God’s will than merely believing in Jesus!
    Yes, sin keeps you out of the kingdom … see the NT “sin lists”
    (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:3-6).

    “You will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures
    to the end (until his death) will be saved (eternally).” (Matthew 10:22)
    There are about 15 NT verses which teach us … the believer must
    endure in the faith until death to receive eternal life (and some are below).

    “But if you want to enter into (eternal) life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17)
    “He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.”
    (John 14:21, also John 14:23 & John 15:14)

    Does anyone get into heaven who does NOT love Jesus and obey Him?

    “If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter
    into life maimed rather than having two hands and go to hell” (Mark 9:43)

    “For whoever desires to save his (worldly) life will lose it (eternal life)
    but whoever loses his (worldly) life for My sake will save it (eternal life)
    For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is
    himself destroyed or lost (eternal death)?” (Luke 9:24-25 and John 12:25)


    “And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh” (Galatians 5:24)
    “For if you live according to the flesh you will die (eternally)” (Romans 8:13)


    “… the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received
    ... by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which
    I preached to you – unless you believed in vain.” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2)


    “Then when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
    and sin, when it is full grown, brings forth (eternal) death.
    Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:15-16)


    “But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare,
    and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in
    destruction and perdition (eternal death) … Command those who
    are rich … that they may lay hold on to eternal life.” (1 Timothy 6:9-19)


    “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows,
    that he will also reap.
    For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh
    reap corruption (eternal death)” (Galatians 6:7-8)


    ‘My righteous ones will live by faith. But I will take no pleasure
    in anyone who turns away.’ But we are not like those who turn
    away from God to their own destruction (eternal death). We are
    the faithful ones, whose souls will be saved.” (Hebrews 10:38-39)

    Paul says some believers turn back to their destruction, but in fact,
    he has NO idea who will remain faithful to the end, or who will turn away!

    “In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
    whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:10)
    “He who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7)


    He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God
    and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable,
    murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars
    shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone,
    which is the second death (eternal death).” (Revelation 21:7-8)
    The “cowardly” include believers who fall from the faith when persecuted
    for their Christian faith, or later submit to taking the mark of the beast.

    “But there shall by no means enter it (the New Jerusalem) anything
    that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those
    who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.” (Revelation 21:27)


    He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and
    I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life” (Revelation 3:5)


    Jesus gives His definition of who the victorious “overcomer” is …
    To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
    as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” (Revelation 3:21)

    Just what did Jesus overcome? Primarily: the world, sin, and the devil.
    We today are the deceived church of Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22).

    “If you refuse to forgive others, your Father won’t forgive your sins.” (Matthew 6:15)
    Unforgiveness blocks you from heaven and also blocks you from being healed!

    “Fear the Lord and keep His commandments … so that you may be saved.
    … So have faith in Him and fear Him and by that fear exercise self-control.
    Keep these commandments. If you do, you will put on the strength of
    righteousness, and cast all wickedness from you, and live to God.”

    (“The Shepherd of Hermas” -- most popular Christian “book” during 100-400 a.d.
    Quoted as Scripture by such as Irenaeas, Clement, Origen, Codex Sinaiticus.
    The Shepherd calls himself: “the Shepherd and messenger of repentance”.)


    “Fear God, who has the power … to throw you into hell” (Luke 12:5)
    “… unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” (Luke 13:3 and 13:5)


    “… beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh
    and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God … your sorrow
    (over his first
    letter to them) led to repentance … For godly sorrow
    produces repentance leading to salvation.” (2 Corinthians 7:1-10)
    Yes, ALL sins will be forgiven through deep and sincere repentance!

    “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
    and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)

    “When the Lord saw that their repentance was good and pure, and that they
    were able to remain in it, He ordered their former sins to be blotted out.”
    (“The Shepherd of Hermas” – he’s not nearly as tactful as the earlier Epistles)


    Has Satan deceived you? ... Has he deceived your church?

    Satan hates God, and he hates you! … He and his demons work
    tirelessly to succeed in having you spend eternity in hell with them.
    “the god of this world” (2 Cor 4:4) … “the ruler of this world” (John 12:31)
    “the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
    “he is a liar and the father of it (lies)” (John 8:44)
    “evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world” (Ephesians 6:12)


    Have you been deceived into believing in “once saved, always saved”,
    and that your sins (past, present, and future) have all been forgiven?
    (Also, have you been deceived into believing in a pre-tribulation rapture?)
    Heads-up! The dozens of warnings in the NT are there for a purpose!
    For example: “… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey,
    whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness … now present
    your bodies as slaves of righteousness for holiness.” (Romans 6:16,19)


    Born-agains have been given a new nature and the indwelling Holy Spirit
    to free them from their bondage to Satan – and from their slavery to sin!
     
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    Are you implying that you have the correct understanding of the scriptures than others do? If so, whats your particular basis of understanding which leads you to believe this?
     
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    IMO, basically ALL spiritual truth comes ONLY via spiritual revelation from God.
    (Note: I do not consider facts such as Jesus walking up through the mountains
    to Jerusalem with His disciples to be a spiritual truth.)

    I began some 30 years ago with NO pre-conceived biases, doctrines, etc.
    I.E. I began completely OPEN to what God might reveal to me.
    While studying the NT (especially), the Lord gradually revealed more and more truth to me.
    After being baptized with the Holy Spirit, Jesus called me to be an evangelist overseas.
    Years later, here I am evangelizing believers in a Christian forum.

    Beyond all of this ... Are we not required to RECONCILE all of the NT verses?
    We need to reconcile the so-called OSAS verses with the anti-OSAS verses.
    How do they ALL fit together to agree and produce ONE spiritual truth?

    For those of us who are OPEN to hearing spiritual truth from God,
    the precious Holy Spirit will reveal it to us.

    Re: spiritual matters, I believe ONLY what is revealed in the Holy Scriptures.
     
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    Samuels,

     
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    What exactly do you believe if you do not believe in eternal security? If you tell me exactly what you believe, I can then tell you exactly how you are wrong.
     
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    Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?

    No.

    HankD
     
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    No you only believe your personal interpretation of what God's word says. There is a difference.
     
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    Always ... the bait and switch ... dog and pony shows ... etc.
    Why not just answer the primary question of the OP?

    Please tell me why NT passages such as these do NOT apply to you?
     
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    Please refer to post #8 ... Thanks.

    BTW, you should read the words Jesus has given recently about today's shepherds of His sheep.
    Extremely condemning.
     
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    Are we saved by keeping the Law, or by trusting in Jesus, who kept the law for us?
     
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    Please read the OP ... and then decide for yourself what the Truth is.
     
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    The truth is saved by Grace alone, faith alone!
     
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    RE: repenting of a particular sin
    1 • have sorrow over doing it
    2 • confess it before the Lord
    3 • ask the Lord for forgiveness
    4 • stop doing it
    This what the Lord requires of you.
     
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    I have and you're a SINNER just like the rest of us... Do you really think you can live up to what you have posted?... For ALL HAVE SINNED and come short of the glory of GOD!... Remember... YOU'RE A SINNER JUST LIKE THE REST OF US... Brother Glen:)
     
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    Brother Glen, please refer to post #13.
     
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    Since creation, God has always insisted on man’s co-operation.
    Jesus will make you holy (i.e. He will fully sanctify you),
    but only IF you co-operate with the precious Holy Spirit
    via your God-given free-will.
     
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    Samuels, thank you for the original research, as I find your list of bible verses useful. However, you are not acting according to the Holy Spirit if you bear the fruit of division, divide the brethren with your go to statements, and then lack the fruit of the spirit in your interactions with others.

    I would test that spirit that is revealing stuff to you, as I was like that for years, but in the end I discovered I was not a prophet and that the devil masquerades as an angel of light and had tricked me for years.
     
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    Steven, so you don't believe that God has a five-fold ministry (Eph 4:11)?
    Me, I'm merely doing the job that the pastors should be doing.
    Don't do see the incredibly sad condition of today's churches?
     
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    World-famous evangelist/missionary T. L. Osborne found it
    necessary to research the NT word “believe”, and he came to
    the conclusion that it means “to believe, trust in, and obey”.
    To reconcile the NT word “believe” with the rest of the NT,
    it is ridiculous to think that it does not include obedience.
    (Not only that, but it must mean until the end of one’s life!)
     
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    You remind me a lot of myself a few years ago. However, I must warn you that while it makes you endearing, it is also very dangerous, as I am sure I was not even saved several years ago, I was so outside the will of the Father for me.

    That said, no, I believe that prophetic and apostolic ministries ended long ago.

    I am certain that the Azusa Street Revival was a counterfeit brought on by the spirit of the Antichrist, who I strongly suspect is the giver of modern prophecy. I believe this due to the bible, but I was taken here by my experience. I used to have the "gift of prophecy and tongues being baptized in the Holy Spirit" but it ended with no fire in my bones to go back when I stopped cold turkey and treated the spirit giving me "prophecy" as the spirit of the Antichrist. The fact I have felt no drive to go back and only a heartfelt peace and zeal to get people out of Charismatic and Pentecostal circles convinces me that I did the right thing. Because I would be convicted and burning with the Words of the Lord if I was really a prophet.

    I agree with you that the church in the West is in deplorable shape. I am still debating what to do about it as I am seeking a wise course of action, as the Word tells me to do. However, divisive statements meant to grab attention are not in line with the fruit of the Spirit or the bible's commands.

    I agree with you absolutely. The Greek word used for "believe" implies action based on your belief. This combination of thought and action is intrinsic to understanding the word in the Greek. It is also intrinsic to understanding the Gospel which teaches that false Christians will be thrown into hell at the Judgment.
     
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