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Have you ever changed your view on bible translations?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Dale-c, Mar 6, 2008.

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What is your history on the Bible versions debate?

  1. I have always been KJVO and still am.

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    7.1%

  2. I used to believe modern translations were ok but now I am KJVO.

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    2.4%

  3. I have never been KJVO and never intend to be.

    18 vote(s)
    42.9%

  4. I used to be KJVO but have changed after studying the issue.

    13 vote(s)
    31.0%

  5. Show me the results already! :-)

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    16.7%
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  1. Dale-c

    Dale-c Active Member

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    Please, this is not a place to debate. Just to share how we have come to our opinions.

    Please feel free to start another thread and I might jump in.
     
    #21 Dale-c, Mar 6, 2008
  2. SaggyWoman

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    I grew up reading KJVO because I didn't have anything else. Then someone gave me an NIV for graduation. There I was. Then along came Amplified.
     
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  3. Ed Edwards

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    // It bothered me that there didn't seem to be any effort to come up with a modern TR translation.
    I am learning now that perhaps the TR is not the most complete underlying text to use//

    The reason effort has died is that the KJVO's (type #4 & #5) have fought against every effort to "come up with a modern TR translation".

    The situation to "come up with a modern TR translation" resembles the anti-denomination movement. About 1/3 of the denominations today were started to end denominationalism (the dark side of starting denominations). They who want to "come up with a modern TR translation" are like the NO denomination people -- about 1/3 of the Modern Versions are attempts to "come up with a modern TR translation". All are rejected by the off-track-KJVOs. (the KJVOs tend to damn me no matter what I do to try to say that KJVOs are NOT a homogenious bunch of folk - there believes vary over a wide set of various beliefs.)

    The nKJV (new King James Version) was started by folks who had gotten from the newly forming KJVO group the instructions for enabling a group to "come up with a modern TR translation". Then about ten years after the nKJV was released the deep-KJVOs came out agains the Nelson placed symbol on the title page: the Triskelion. This symbol is nothing more than a simple geometic figure that most anybody can make - so most anybody makes it. To me it is a perfect representation of the concept of a unified trinity. But evidently some people are want to believe the worse of a symbol and see evil in it when I see good.

    The authorized version of the KJV made in 1873 is generally rejected by many KJVOs who accept the KJV1762/1769 & US cheats Family of Editions. (Strange, they end up accepting a US unauthorized version instead of a KJV1873 Edition which is authorized -- go figure???)

    There have been translations of the KJV (indtead of the TR), I have two and know of a third. If one wished to make an interesting poll, one could ask which of these are acceptable replacements for the -- but I think I already did that.
     
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  4. menageriekeeper

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    I voted other cause the first four didn't really fit though number 3 comes fairly close.

    I grew up KJVO. Not my choice but my father's (who is horrified that I read those other versions <gasp> ). There was never another version available (our reading material was strictly monitered even into our teens) in our house for comparison. Of course, dancing, playing cards and secular music were all activities worthy of hell in our house too (but strangely enough pants were okay). So, while I gave it little thought as a child/teen when I was out on my own and began to decide for myself what I would believe, I disregarded all of the above as legalism with no foundation in scripture.

    So, was I ever really KJVO? Can one be KJVO where there is no free will choice available? :D

    Don't know, don't really care a whole lot. Now days, I enjoy reading and comparing a variety of versions including the KJV and believe they all contribute to my understanding of the scriptures.
     
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  5. Dale-c

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    Funny because pants do usually get lumped in with the rest.
    For me it was all but the secular music part.
    Now rock music was another thing but we did listen to a variety of "good" secular music from classical to "oldies"

    I too was raised KJVO because my dad was but he never was a militant KJVO and he was and is really more of a TR guy than anything else and even that he has softened on the issue though in practice that is all he uses.

    I got most of my extreme views on the KJV from friends of my dad that took stronger views on it.

    It still wasn't really my view until a few years ago when I went to a bible version study at a friends house who were actually Lutheran.

    We sat down with various versions and compared them all to hte KJV.

    I felt at that time I had finally been given "objective proof" that there was an issue to it all.
    It was later that it hit me that my standard was wrong.

    I was viewing the KJV as THE standard by which all others should be judged.
    If that were the case, then by what authority did the KJV translators do their work? Why was theirs authoritative? Why was it the "Authorized Version"?
    Of course it was Authorized by King James.

    My Dad had a copy of James White's book on the subject and I have been reading that and learning a lot.

    I still do not own any other translation other than the KJV but I downloaded others for my bible program and now I like to read the ESV. I find the contemporary language to be so enlightening.
    So much more understandable.

    I certainly do not have anything against the KJV. It was used by God, providentially for many years.
    But we must differentiate divine providence from divine inspiration.
     
    #25 Dale-c, Mar 6, 2008
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    How are you learning this?
     
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  7. Dale-c

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    I have been reading the book "The King Jame Only Debate" By Dr. James White.

    One thing I am finding out is that EVERY new version has undergone a period of time of skepticism by some.

    In te book he deals with Erasmus et al and the history of the TR.
    Though the TR was a good work with what was available at the time.

    If you have not read it I would highly recommend it. It is really interesting.
     
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  8. TomVols

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    I grew up in a KJVO church, but through seeing God's Word and looking at the facts, I left that position. James White, D.A. Carson, and some other very Godly men's writings helped me in that regard.
     
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  9. Dale-c

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    Seems we had a similar experience.
    It is interesting to note that no one has voted in the poll that they became KJVO after study but have always been. That is not to say they don't exist. I do know some people who fall in that category.
    It is also not to say that KJVOs do not study but that they often come with a bias that is hard to overcome.
    Just like I did once, they believe the KJV is the standard by which all others should be judged.
     
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  10. chuck2336

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    I have mainly used the modern translations
     
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    Maybe you were predestined to be a KJVO......

    or...

    not:laugh:
     
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  12. AntennaFarmer

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    I gradually became dissatisfied with the modern versions (starting from the NIV). The last one I liked was the NKJV. I only really trust the KJV at this point.

    A.F.
     
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    When I was a kid everyone used the KJV at the little country church I grew up in. To me it is the most poetic and beautifully worded. However, I know that it is not the best to use now. Too many people have little or no idea what many of the words mean and cannot follow the meaning well. We cannot expect people with little or no background to use and understand the KJV. Also with students where English is their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th language a modern translation is very desirable.

    For just pure joy of reading I like Peterson's "The Message." For study I will use several translations in attempting to get to the meaning as my Greek and Hebrew do not exist.
     
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  14. TCGreek

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    Like most my age and older, we were first exposed to the KJV, so had really little choice but to use it.

    I'm grateful to God for the KJV, but I've never been KJVO and the first time I heard it, I thought Christians were polemical about the wrong things.

    Now it seems like I'm becoming TNIVO! :laugh:
     
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  15. David Lamb

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    Authorized version of the KJV? That's a new one on me - I thought "Authorized Version" was the "British English" for what Americans call the "King James Version", regardless of whether it is 1873, 1611, 1769.... :confused:
     
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    I probably would have been considered KJVO years ago, but I had no actual concept of the issue. I was skeptical and suspicious of modern versions, as I had been taught. Most of the Christian folk I know well and love (including my own mother :love2: ) are more-or-less KJVO.

    I came to the BB a couple years ago as a supplement to my study into versions. I had never been exposed to so much discussion of the specifc issue. I have tried to observe and understand the real substance of the KJVO position, but I remain unconvinced that it is the best practice.
     
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    It must be the kind of cheese I'm using.:D
     
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    Confession is good for the soul. (low-grade KJVO) :laugh: Couldn't have been said better.

    I discoverd the KJB is beyond natural wonder and have always appreciated its supernatural wonders above any other version.:godisgood:
     
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    Me neither, but they have had an impact upon my person, especially by those who use their reputations to attack those who previously knew nothing of them.

    Same type of objection is made by other religionists daily that their "god" is equal to God.:praying:

    Many believe we need a "modern god", He doesn't exist anywhere except in the figment of their imaginations to try and get others to concur with their liberal and modernist lifestyles.:godisgood:
     
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    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
    The BV&T forum in the "debate" section has now been declared as a place to not debate.
     
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