Have you ever Spoken in Tounges

Yes to number three - but not because Benny Hinn or anyone else like him touched me or prayed for me - but because God - in response to the prayers of His people saw fit to raise me up when the doctors couldn't do anything for me.

 

There has always been individuals who claim they are special evangelists who has a healing ministry. Some I believe but the majority I do not because their lifestyles or their doctrines do not exemplify this.

I do not believe a preacher cannot have a decent income and live comfortably but any preacher who dresses in $500+ suits and drives $50,000 cars and live in multi million dollar homes at the expense of television viewers or their congregation.

This so called New Pentecostal Wave is not of God. THis is nothing but what has been called in the Pentecostal movement for years as Wild Fire.
Excesses. THis so called Wave has prostituted the gifts of the Spirit and is a big joke.

These things have happened over the years but it does not do away with God's power. Scandals and failures and excesses have happened in every denomination and movement in Christianity including the Baptist church.

 

#1 Define "Tongues." If you mean a language and dialect that at least one other person recognizes as their own and understands - as in Acts 2 - yes. I have witnessed in other languages. As far as the other type, I did ask in prayer about speaking in unknown tongues and quickly heard another in the same room pray a short prayer in a language I did not understand (and it was structured, not gibberish). About the time I was thinking, "But isn't there supposed to be an interpretation?" I heard the same person repeat(?) the prayer in good ol' country folk American English. I believe God can give that ability if He chooses and I will not claim He can't - I just don't think it is common. BTW, Most of what I hear has no stucture common to most languages and seems as babble to me.

#2 I've been pushed off balance and "caught" by two people who told me to relax, but I wasn't "slain in the Spirit." The preacher who did this later apologized for "forcing" it. I think he might have been concerned about what I would say since we share both a last name and calling to preach. I've never found convincing scriptural proof that this is something we should be doing, either.

#3 I have been healed by God, but not by the touch of any human hand (and I don't mean medical professionals).

 

""Have you ever Spoken in Tounges""

I took Spanish in College but can't hardly say a word of it anymore.

-Brian

 

Tounges are simply speaking about the things of God in truth....

its an attitude adjustment. and it is displayed by a change in (behavioral) speech.

instead of selfishness and judgemental.,
its selfless and filled with mercy and grace.

its the "language" of your new spirit.

its not a different carnal language or some spoken jibberish.and its not spoken with an unknown understanding by the speaker.

although it might have to be re-enterated by another to the listeners in a "different" level of understanding.

Me2

 

Me2, I appreciate your passion. What you wrote sounded very nice, almost poetic in a way .

The problem is that what you wrote is not based a solid Biblical foundation. Tongues in the Bible are always "languages", real honest languages spoken by real people at that time. They were a special gift given for a brief period. I am not trying to be a bubble burster and rain on your parade but there just isn't Biblical usage of the word "tongues" that lines up with what you said.

In Love and Truth,
Brian

 

I used to speak in tongues - I used to go to a Charismatic church. I'm expecting highest honors in heaven to go to some believers who do and some who don't. I think they will go to people who were men or women with a 'heart after God's own heart' and behaved and loved accordingly.

Every time I got better from being sick, I was healed by God, wasn't I? Have I ever been miraculously instantaneously healed, though? Not that I can recall - and I think I'd remember if I had been

A friend at my church had a son who had very severe allegies, whose doctors said there was nothing they could do, at age 2; she and her friends had a prayer meeting and they believe he was healed that night because he started to react adversely to the medications after that and when they took him off them all he was fine. I think he's thirteen now and his health is normal.

Did I ever get 'slain in the spirit' - no; I've never been at churches where that happens, actually.

Helen/AITB

 

AITB,

When tounges were spoken..
were they understandable ?

..and Briguy,

Maybe these things are out of my realm of understanding but I currently dont see a use for them.

English works just fine..

although I do see a major difference when at one time God spoke to me through "believers" and "said" that he was going to destroy my soul in hell and then later I heard another "message"..the real true message that He was going to save my soul for all eternity by forgiving all my sins.

that is what the real "new tounge" was speaking in Gods People.

in Grace and mercy and truth.
in unconditional Love

and it was understood by all Gods people.

the ones with the new ears, and new eyes, and new tounges, and a new language that came with their new spirits..

the language of jesus.

so the question is..does one hear confusing parables and proverbs, or the truth of God?

Hearing Gods messages through the very eyes and ears of the spirit which the new believer has been given..the spirit that is reflecting who God is..
Mercy and Grace and Forgiveness.
Me2

 

Me2, I think I didn't understand what you were saying. If you really don't speak in tongues then you are on a firm Biblical foundation. Maybe you could clarify your view in a more direct way. Sorry if I was wrong about your view and your earlier statement.

In Christ,
Brian

 

It was the usual situation you find in Charismatic churches; people sing in tongues and pray in tongues that aren't understandable and no-one interprets. If someone stands up and speaks in tongues then after that someone else stands up and interprets who has the spiritual gift of interpretation; they don't 'naturally' understand the language spoken by the person who speaks in tongues but, God gives them the ability to interpret it supernaturally.

Helen

 

Hi,

I dont mean to embarass with these somewhat confusing questions (at least from my viewpoint)

but ive seen people in charasmatic churches do these things and felt quite embarassed and annoyed. first I didnt understand..or thought God was holding something back from my understanding.

if it be some secret message only meant for an individual. as opposed to a message for everyone.

I can understand God not uncovering the eyes and ears of a believer or to those whom the message is not meant for but I dont think messages should be spoken out loud in a crowd, hopefully waiting for someone to interpret...if at all.

I dont know about others here, but when foreigners in my presents speak in a non englsh language in an english speaking environment..I think their talking something bad about me or at least holding something back from my understanding.

I think that its simply rude.

now on the other hand..I can understand 2 seperate and opposing viewpoints of people sensing God as an ogre or as a loving father figure . This is what changes a persons ability to understand any message from God...not by confusing the language heard or the message that is encripted or encoded in obscurities.

examples such as simply stating:
"I'm coming soon and my reward is with me".
can be viewed in only two ways..

he's coming to punish or to love.

Here in this subject about tounges..the message is not hidden from hearers...Its the individuals hearing that is impaired. their viewpoint is skewed from hearing the message because they imagine God being something other than that which he is not.

God is Love...Not An Ogre returning to destroy.

therefore if your view of God is one of A vengeful Judge...than hearing of a message of A God who is Unconditionally Mercyful and is returning To Distribute mercy and forgiveness ...the message is new and spoken from a different "tounge" that you didnt expect hearing.

Nothing confusing or unknown or unreckognizable..

Just a different message of God that You didnt expect..and a message that would be delivered by someone with a first hand viewpoint.A message from an understanding person that stands behind it, embolden, as one who is representing the "only" Truth.even one who would be willing to die for their "word".as if their message created life within them and its hearers.

again I referr to plain speaking english...

dont you think it would be somewhat odd if your mouth got the best of you and started moving and saying things that even you didnt expect or understand ?..I would.

In most of my life..I want to understand the thing which I speak about.

Before I speak It...but, Thats just me.

Me2

 

But you can stop if you want to. When people speak in tongues they are trusting God and letting go and believing that the words are from Him and give Him glory.

When someone stands up and speaks in tongues they are trusting God for someone to interpret. They don't expect what they say to be not understandable; they are just waiting for an interpretation.

Helen

 

AITB,

(ROFL) I think if I had the guts to stand in front of a crowd and let my mouth say what it wanted to...I'd also like to choose to be jumping around flailing about and playing with poisonous snakes.

possibly tempting my already bad luck.

anyhow..people talking in any churches in mysterious "languages" that I cant recognize give me the heeby-geebies.

(with or without the "interpretation")

Me2

[ April 14, 2003, 04:45 PM: Message edited by: Me2 ]

 

Me2, you sound like the ones that made fun of the Spirit of God, on the Day of Pentecost, out of the lack of knowledge.

Acts 2:13) "Others *mocking* said, These men are full of new wine.

17) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:

1 Cor.1:25) because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

Don't be so quick to judge the things that you don't understand!

He's a great God, when you get to know Him.

MEE

 

Helen writes:

""When someone stands up and speaks in tongues they are trusting God for someone to interpret. They don't expect what they say to be not understandable; they are just waiting for an interpretation.""


Helen, if you read in 1 Corth. 14 toward the end you will see that Paul instructs the "tongue speaker" to remain seated unless they knew an interpreter was present. They knew who the interpreters were before they even thought about giving a message in a different language. This is because the tongues were real languages and like we know who are our teachers today, the gathered assembly knew who in their assembly could supernaturally speak the language of a foreigner who came into the assembly and also they knew who could interpret the message, supernaturally, so the whole assembly could be edified. IT was an orderly thing the way our services are today. Ther was never a "HOPE" for an interpreter, they knew. Hope that makes some sense. Tongues as I have said and shown many times were a "sign" to Isreal and ended when what they pointed to happened. (70 AD and the fall of Isreal).

In Love and Truth,
Brian

 

Briguy,

could this be a proverb or parable that is to be discussed before a group ?..seeing that if the interpreter is pre-known, the interpretation is known..

then the message is known.

I see it as possibly something being expressed in "another" way..kinda like the jewish way of thinking as opposed to the greek way of thinking (or expressing). or an adult expression being shown to a child like expression.

like explaining an infinite God who "sits" on a throne. or a timeless God treating us humans in linear time...or simply explaining the impossible in a possible expression..


and MEE...If you start playing with snakes or drinking poison to prove the bible to be true in a literal fashion...
Go For It...
Me, Im too squemish about such expressions.
(maybe I lack Faith?..hmmm)

and yes...
tounges still give me the heeby geebies.


Kinda sorta...Me2

 

Didn't you read that I said (in my first post on here) I used to speak in tongues?

You can quote the Bible and reason with me all you want but I'm afraid you won't make me any less of a tongues-speaker than I am at present!

Helen

 

Briguy,

Some of the occasions were "tounges" can be seen or observed are re-interpreting messages. such as in the bible. parables and proverbs are written to the believer.

the carnal mind will see a literal story. although a spiritual interpretation can also be derived. the carnal christian living under the law (those who havent accepted Jesus as Lord) will see the grace of God differently than those who actually live by the Grace (or full acceptance of Forgiveness and mercy) both can read a parable and not arrive at the same conclusion because they do not see the writers attitude or perspective. who is this case is God .

therefore Jesus uses pictures and symbols to arrive at his conclusions and to represent the things of God and are not to be read as actual literal stories.although the carnal or natural man greatly desires to use his natural senses.

unfortunately, The bible is written from a spiritual source and will be understood only from the same spiritual source.

so that there will be multiple conclusions of the interpretation of Gods message to man. the literal or natural. and the spiritual or supernatural.

now tounges in our modern day is kinda complicated to describe. first we all are the same growing as christians.

we all go through the SAME SANCTIFICATION PROCESS.

we are initially introduced to the law as new babes in christ. the law is our schoolmaster. it brings us into a closer understanding of the environment of the "new" spirit of man. unfortunately. we think of ourselves as gods and capable of following a set of rules to perform for our God. God on the otherhand uses the law to defeat our carnal fleshly (and selfish) desires by allowing us to attempt to follow the "laws" and
of course we fail. Satan's there to accuse us of failing to follow the law ..as gods should. and in the end we run to God crying out for mercy..until we no longer live by these rules...until every rule kills us or shames us "to death".

and well, we will continue to think we can live by them until the law has served its complete purpose..to kill our flesh..our old man.

but this is God trying us...proving our new spirits..and eventually (hopefully) we will give up completely the works of the flesh and fully ask for the complete mercy of God accepting Jesus As Lord.

all this layed out to say..some can see these process through their spiritual eyes..we all go through it.. we battle the flesh. the law..the lusts of the flesh, the lust of the eyes (idols) and our very pride of life. the enemies are the same in every christians life and mostly manifested in similar ways.

and to receive this gift..we must live through our own trials first. we must first identify this worlds enemies. and understand and be able to interpret this sanctification process FIRST.

we can teach each other only so much. we can warn in advance. yet we proceed through our trials as individuals.

but heres a way in which we may help one another. we can give hints to one another by peering into each others life to describe what is currently occurring. describing what i call "being in the event or play" as it is unfolding. lifting up each other as the trial is underway or as we face our enemies.

its honing ones skill of perceiving the enemies of christians and being able to advise the believer within their trials.

believe it or not..that what the revelation of John is about. an individual proceeding through the sanctification process and seeing their enemies being "destroyed" before their very eyes by our Lord. What are the enemies..the world, the flesh and the devil. who's the anti-christ..our old man still stuggling to hold onto power over our spirit.

but I digress..

dont let people steer you into the boonies..

"tounges" are only an expression..and its a gift that all may use and hone their eyes and ears to understand the ways of God more and to be able to love their brothers and sisters to a higher degree.

you see, mercy is uncovered in many forms..this is one that adds a little repreve to anothers battles in the middle of their struggles.

its not like mans religious answer...

it's not just a few speaking in
"unknown" tounges..

as the crowd is patiently waiting for the interpretation.....

Me2

 

Hi Helen, I knew you did not speak in tongues but it seemed to me, by what you have written in the past, that you are not opposed to the practice. I was thinking you were saying that it is OK for person to speak in tongues and hope for an interpretation. I was trying to give Biblical evidence to show that "hoping" for an interpretration is not correct. If I mis-read where you are at with tongues, please forgive me.


Me2, I wish my mind could follow everything that you say, you are very deep. I agree with most of what you said, if I in fact understood it properly. When I use the term "tongues" I am referring to the Biblical "gift of tongues" and nothing more. When you use the term "tongues" you seem to be speaking of a cosmic Christian universal language that only certain spiritually enlightened people speak and hear or maybe you are saying all Christians hear and speak it because it speaks to their heart. Oh, maybe I am more confused then I thought. You made a statement at the end that seemed pro speaking in tongues though other statements you have made in this thread are directly against the "unknown tongue" being spoken. Pleas un-confuse me if you can

In Christ,
Brian