Have you studied the other side?

I have found it very common for many to study only the side of the issue on which they stand. I am curious if either "side" has taken a serious look at the arguments and information presented by the "other side?"

KJVOs, please list any books that you have open-mindedly studied that present a case for modern versions use.

Non-KJVOs, please list any books that you have open-mindedly studied that present a case for KJVOnlyism however you may define it.

</font>[/QUOTE]I have read:

The Making of the NIV by Kenneth L. Barker

New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable? By: F.F. Bruce

The King James Version Debate: A Plea for Realism by D. A. Carson

The Text of The New Testament: Its Transmission Corruption, and Restoration By Bruce Metzger

Along with many on-line articles and posts.


Limiting myself to the orginal question, dare I be honest and say that the above has done more to steer me away from the mv myth than anything I have read that defends the KJV?

hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm guess I dared to admit it


Jim

[ September 16, 2004, 09:27 AM: Message edited by: Jim Ward ]

 

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[ September 16, 2004, 10:08 AM: Message edited by: Pastor_Bob ]

 

Pastor Bob listed as a book that supports KJVO:

Pastor Bob, I have this book, although it's been some years since I've read it. I remember it as arguing for Biblical inspiration and inerrancy (the Battle was against non-literalists & liberalism); but I don't recall anything about KJVO in it. In fact, I believe that Lindsell specifically argued for inerrancy of the original Autographs only. If I'm remembering correctly, in what way does this book support KJVO?

 

O.K.- Thanks, Pastor Bob.

 

A question is now a personal attack? Man Kerryism is everwhere. This board really has gone downhill and and moderators are clearly free to be abusive, but then they all have been free to be abusive to those who stand for truth.


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[ September 16, 2004, 04:38 PM: Message edited by: C4K ]

 

I used to be a scrict KJVO. When I began studying scripture objectively, I realized my position was not scripturally supportable. Prior to that, I simply believed what someone told me, who believed what someone told them, etc.

 

Jim
"This board really has gone downhill and moderators are clearly free to be abusive, but then they all have been free to be abusive to those who stand for truth. "
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I think you are more than a little unfair towards them. Pastor_Bob is KJVO without being unreasonable towards people who hold different ideas, dr. Bob champions a wide range of versions, but strongly loves the KJV and C4K is probably the only truly neutral person on this issue on the BB, basically KJVO towards himself but not towards others.

 

A question is now a personal attack? Man Kerryism is everwhere. This board really has gone downhill and ,&lt;deleted as in original post&gt;. </font>[/QUOTE]Wow! What false attacks against the moderators! And comparisons with Kerry?? Get real, dude! The moderators have "snipped" most all of us at one time or another. It's the nature of the game. Love it or leave it!

AVL1984

[ September 16, 2004, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: C4K ]

 

I just cannot comprehend why this has to be a "side" thing?

If you want to use only the KJV and reason in your mind that it is the only Bible for the English speaking world today, more power to you and I honour your decision.

If you choose to use a different translation, or several translations, more power to you and I honour your decision.

How has this become a "non-liberty" area where we need to read "the other side??"

 

Those who honestly and sincerely believe that the earth is flat (I documented the existence of such a group in another thread) have more evidence to support their belief than do the KJOists to support their belief. Have I read all of the literature supporting the belief that the earth is flat? No, of course not! Does that invalidate my opinion that the earth if not flat? No, it does not. The fact that the earth is not flat is readily observable to anyone with a sound mind. The fact the King James translation of the Bible is not perfect is also readily observable. There is no more need to study the evidence for the perfection of the King James translation of the Bible than there is a need to study the evidence for a flat earth. Go up on a hill and look at the earth for yourself. Compare the English language with the Hebrew and Greek languages and you will see that it is IMPOSSIBLE to translate from one language into the other with complete accuracy. NO translation is perfect, and none can be perfected. The difference in the languages does NOT permit it.

No amount of “evidence” will flatten the earth into a pancake!

 

Craigbythesea: "Compare the English language with the Hebrew and Greek languages and you will see that it is IMPOSSIBLE to translate from one language into the other with complete accuracy. NO translation is perfect, and none can be perfected. The difference in the languages does NOT permit it.

Exactly Craig. I found this to be quite true when I was conversing with my Hispanic friends and my French friends, as well as with others who speak other languages. But, now, we don't want to present any evidence that might shake up the world of the one version onlyists, now would we??

AVL1984

 

You are absoultely right. There are enough people going to hell while we argue that we should get busy living out the life Jesus commanded us to live. Some of my friends prefer the KJV. I even invited a KJVO to come and preach when I was pastoring. We did not agree on this issue but did agree that we should be the best God has called us to be. There have bee people in churches I pastored that preferred the KJV but it never became a dividing point. In fact what I have always promoted was the idea that we must make disciples. People are not attracted to Jesus because of the Bible we read but because of the God we serve.

If we loved people half as much as God loves us the world would be changed because they would know we are His disciples.

About 1-1/2 years after I became a Christian, at the dinner table one night, my mom told me she noticed I had really changed and asked me why the difference. I told my family why. Since that time (32 years ago) most all of my family and their children have become Christians. At the last funeral one of our cousins mentioned how she felt how she didn't have much in common with us because we are Christians. Thirty two years ago I was the only one.

Jesus mentioned how others will know we are Christians. I have noticed in areas where I have lived where there are few Christians the issue of which Bible version is a non-issue. We were just trying help each other grow.

We must talk to God about men before we talk to men about God.

 

Amen, preach it!!! My thoughts exacely!!!

 

As long as there are both truth and falsehood, there will be two sides. If the lies would stop, we would all have a lot more time to go about sharing with others the Gospel of the kingdom, but of course there are those who have a very different priority.

 

Many have tried to explain this to them but they won't listen.

 

As long as there are both truth and falsehood, there will be two sides. If the lies would stop, we would all have a lot more time to go about sharing with others the Gospel of the kingdom, but of course there are those who have a very different priority. </font>[/QUOTE]Ya'll better be sitting down for this one.
I agree with Craig.

Of course you all know that although his statement is agreeable to me, I interpret it differently.
In His service;
Jim