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HCSB > KJVs (examples)

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Ed Edwards, Oct 18, 2004.

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  1. Ed Edwards

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    I found one of those here:
    http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/4/1744.html#000000

    I searched page 1 for "New Age" and found nothing.
    I searched page 2 and found nothing.
    Sorry, I work or travel 11 hours a day;
    I don't have time to research the board.

    Michelle: "Acts 20

    29. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
    30. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
    31. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears."

    Here is how you are required by me to post scripture
    references:

    Acts 20:29-31 (KJV1769):

    29. For I know this, that after my departing shall
    grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
    30. Also of your own selves shall men arise,
    speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
    31. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the
    space of three years I ceased not to warn every
    one night and day with tears.

    And thank you for the Biblical reference to
    radical KJV Only advocates. Caveat: "radical KJV Only
    advocate"s refer only to those KJVO#4 and KJVO#5
    who don't bother to converse but are good at
    propagandizing. This is a description of a shoe,
    if the shoe fits - wear it.

    av1611jim: "Anecdotal evidence is just about as weighty as opinion."

    Anecedotal has a fact rating of 1.
    Opinion has a fact rating of zero.
    There are facts with a fact rating over 1.
    So your statement is close to true, but not
    close enough to true to preclude her saying it.
    Thank you Sister Deborah B for sharing.
     
    #21 Ed Edwards, Oct 19, 2004
  2. Ed Edwards

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    Jude 1:4 (HCSB):

    For certain men, who were designated for this judgment
    long ago, have come in by stealth; they are ungodly,
    turning the grace of our God into promiscuity
    and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

    Jude 1:4 (KJV1611);

    For there are certaine men crept in vnawares,
    who were before of olde ordained to this condemnation,
    vngodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciuiousnesse,
    and denying the onely Lord God, & our Lord Iesus Christ.

    The KJV differentiates betweeen "Lord God"
    and "our Lord Iesus"." By contrast HCSB
    contains a clear testomony that our Soverign
    and Master is the Lord Jesus Christ.
    The Greek word translated "Lord" in the KJV,
    "Master" in the HCSB, and "Soverign" in the NIV
    is a much stronger term than "Lord", in fact is the strongest
    possible Greek term for authority and
    leadership. "Master" or "Soverign" is a stronger
    translation than mere "Lord". Also, as for consistancy,
    "Lord" is used to translate weaker Greek terms.

    This is a very strong scripture in the HCSB
    regarding the Lordship of Jesus - much stronger
    in the HCSB than in the KJVs.
     
    #22 Ed Edwards, Oct 19, 2004
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    Michele, I understand you totally, believe me. I've been there, done that. I'm not, however going to let you keep switching the rules without saying something.

    So, you need to answer the question...is the HCSB the Word of God? If no, why not, SPECIFICALLY? If the KJV is the "perfect, inerrant Word of God...explain why it is. Don't go on long tangeants of KJV posting, it will be ignored by me. I know all the arguments you're going to make from that. As I said, I've been there, done that? What are your historical evidences? What sources back you up?
     
    #23 AVL1984, Oct 19, 2004
  4. michelle

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    The KJV differentiates betweeen "Lord God"
    and "our Lord Iesus"." By contrast HCSB
    contains a clear testomony that our Soverign
    and Master is the Lord Jesus Christ.
    The Greek word translated "Lord" in the KJV,
    "Master" in the HCSB, and "Soverign" in the NIV
    is a much stronger term than "Lord", in fact is the strongest
    possible Greek term for authority and
    leadership. "Master" or "Soverign" is a stronger
    translation than mere "Lord". Also, as for consistancy,
    "Lord" is used to translate weaker Greek terms.

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    Yes, this is true in the Mystery Schools Religions a.k.a. freemasonry and gnosticism. You do have that correct.


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
    #24 michelle, Oct 19, 2004
  5. Ed Edwards

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    Sister Michelle, you start with error
    axioms and you end up with wrong
    conclusions.
     
    #25 Ed Edwards, Oct 19, 2004
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    I have no idea what you mean by this. Could you explain?
     
    #26 russell55, Oct 19, 2004
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    That's only a small number of them.
     
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    Michelle are you going to be reactionary or discuss the issues? In the post you just wrote you used the same exact English the pagans would use. Does that make you a pagan? In 1 Jn the writer addresses the gnostics in your KJV, my NASU and my UBS 4 Rev. and my NA 27. Even in your Stephens text.
     
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  9. Ed Edwards

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    Early unicals in Greek used a method of
    abbreviation.
    Normaly "God" in full in Greek is "theta epsilon omicron sigma"
    But this is abreviated by "theta sigma" which
    is overlined.

    "He" in Greek is "omicron sigma".

    Theta is like our "O" with a small horizontal
    bar in the middle. Omicron is like our letter "O"
    I wish i could do Greek letters here,
    the overlined "theta sigma" is very like
    the "omicron sigma" especially when in a line
    of Greek text without puncuation and spaces.

    Consider 1 Timothy 3:16 in the KJV1769 and the HCSB.
    In the KJV1769 appears "God" (overlined "theta sigma"),
    in HCSB is "He" ("omicron sigma") with a note that
    some sources have "God".

    IMHO "God" was in the original and some scribe copied
    the "He' instead. But God's written word, preserved
    for us is CORRECT in both versions.
     
    #29 Ed Edwards, Oct 19, 2004
  10. Phillip

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    Deborah,
    This is a REAL WORLD example of what I have been telling people such as Michelle about the difficulties of the KJV. I myself (who grew up with a KJV) cannot read it for only a few minutes before I am tired. Give me an HCSB or other good translation and I literally devour it. God Bless you!

    Do you have ANY doubt after reading parts of the translation that you are not reading the Words of God?

    Are you able to understand God's messages to you?

    I think I know your answers, just making my point. ;)
     
    #30 Phillip, Oct 19, 2004
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    Yes, this is true in the Mystery Schools Religions a.k.a. freemasonry and gnosticism. You do have that correct.
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    I have no idea what you mean by this. Could you explain?
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    Sure. Masters and Soveriegns are commonly used terms in the Mystery Schools, such as Freemasonry and gnosticism, and since these things are becoming quite popular and acceptable within christianity, I find this very dangerous. They have no such place to describe our LORD GOD, nor our LORD AND SAVIOUR Jesus Christ in such verses as these. Jesus Christ is never referred to after his resurrection as master or teacher. These were terms used when Jesus was walking here on earth. He is now, and in these verses at the right hand of our Father in Heaven, and is most definately our Lord.


    It is up to you to find this trivial, which I am sure many of you do. I do not see it this way however. Terms of our precious Lord and Saviour, are being changed to fit New Age terminologies ever so subtley, that are foriegn to the churches.
    All I leave you with in this, is to ask why? Why change such long standing words and titles concerning our Lord? What about the name/word "Lord" do people not understand today in our language that justifies such a drastic change to substitute with such masonic and gnostic terms?


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
    #31 michelle, Oct 19, 2004
  12. Ed Edwards

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    Michelle: I need to know how you know.
    The mysteries of the gnostics is that they
    know stuff we who aren't in the know
    don't know. So how do you know what you
    said in the last post?
     
    #32 Ed Edwards, Oct 19, 2004
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    #33 michelle, Oct 20, 2004
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    Praise Christ Jesus!

    Deborah [​IMG]
     
    #34 Deborah B., Oct 20, 2004
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    And why should we honor your second rate comments with no evidence to back up what you are saying?
     
    #36 David J, Oct 20, 2004
  17. Ed Edwards

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    David J.: It is called trolling

    Board rule #5:

    5. No trolling. Trolling consists of provoking large volumes of responses by posting absurdities, deliberately offensive insults, etc.
     
    #37 Ed Edwards, Oct 20, 2004
  18. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Sister Deborah -- Preach it! [​IMG]
     
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    Michelle
    Those 2 websites you mentioned in your last post.
    The first claims that the plans of the NWO to take over the world are revealed in a cardgame. :rolleyes:
    And that second site is rather pro-Roman-Catholic. :confused:
     
    #39 mioque, Oct 20, 2004
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    mioque, they also have nothing to do with this thread....again. :rolleyes:
     
    #40 AVL1984, Oct 20, 2004
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