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HCSB > KJVs (examples)
- Thread starter Ed Edwards
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Deborah B.
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Yes we are blessed AVL! God promised us to preserve His word for generations forever, and He has done just that with versions that enable us not only just to read His words, but to actually comprehend them ourselves!
Praise God!
Deborah
Praise God!
Deborah
Amen, Deborah, your last sentence quoted above sums it all up. I am proud of you standing up for God's Word.
I challenge anybody to read the HCSB all the way through and then make the statement that they didn't just finish reading "God's Word".
The problem is, Michelle will refuse to read it, so she has to base her beliefs on what other people say. The same reason she refused to look at photostat copies of the apocrypha printed in the 1611 King James. It is direct evidence, but doesn't fit her belief system, so she just ignores it.
Michelle, would be a much better debater if she would both admit where she is wrong and review the material we give her and answer all of the questions instead of selective opinions.
Has anyone ever read the book Unmasking the New Age? I wonder how many folks realize even though they condemn the New Age thinking often they are guilty of it? Anyone why thinks the Lord showed them the KJV is the only inspired version needs to realize the New Age thinking is an integral part of them. Because their holy spirit is within themselves. To make that kind of a declaration is not found in scripture nor in accordance with it.
Ed Edwards
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Amen, Sister Deborah B. -- Preach it!
michelle
" Yes, that website states the truth, that that card game was invented 5 years prior to 911 and what they think about that. "
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I have e-mailed with an employee of Steve Jackson Games (makers of INWO) and he assured me that the Secret Service raid mentioned in that article was aimed at a book called Gurps Cyperpunk that had been mistaken for a computer crime manual. Unlike the claim of that website there is no link between the INWO game and the Secret Service raid (in fact Gurps Cyperpunk contains an introduction about that raid). Further Steve Jackson the designer of INWO claims to have no special insight when it comes to vast conspiracies and claims any resemblance between his cards and 911 are purely coïncedental. In fact if he had such insights he would certainly not have use those insights for a cardgame.
As for that second website, the RCC (and RCC backed sources) have published negative stories that turned out to be completely wrong about the freemasons so often that I take everything they say on the subject cum grano salis especially if Leo Taxil is involved.
" Yes, that website states the truth, that that card game was invented 5 years prior to 911 and what they think about that. "
"
I have e-mailed with an employee of Steve Jackson Games (makers of INWO) and he assured me that the Secret Service raid mentioned in that article was aimed at a book called Gurps Cyperpunk that had been mistaken for a computer crime manual. Unlike the claim of that website there is no link between the INWO game and the Secret Service raid (in fact Gurps Cyperpunk contains an introduction about that raid). Further Steve Jackson the designer of INWO claims to have no special insight when it comes to vast conspiracies and claims any resemblance between his cards and 911 are purely coïncedental. In fact if he had such insights he would certainly not have use those insights for a cardgame.
As for that second website, the RCC (and RCC backed sources) have published negative stories that turned out to be completely wrong about the freemasons so often that I take everything they say on the subject cum grano salis especially if Leo Taxil is involved.
Ed Edwards
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Acts 4:24 (nKJV):
So when they heard that, they raised their voice to God
with one accord and said: "Lord, You are God,
who made heaven and earth and the sea,
and all that is in them, ... "
I note the nKJV follows the TR as does the KJVs.
Most radical KJVOs never mention this
good feature of the nKJV but concentrate
on what they see as negative but
are trivial nKJV features???
Acts 4:24 (KJV1769):
And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God
with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God,
which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea,
and all that in them is:
Acts 4:24 (HCSB):
When they heard this, they raised their voices to God
unanimously and said, "Master, You are the One
who made the heaven, the earth, and the sea,
and everything in them.
Again, "Master" is a much stronger term than "Lord".
Why do Americans get "bent out of
shape" about "Lord" versus "Master".
Section 9, Paragraph 10 of the United States Constitution
(adopted in 1788) assures no title of nobility
shall be granted. This assures us that there is
no Lord but Jesus.
The 132th Ammendment to the US Constitution
(adapted in 1865) abolishes slavery. This assures us
that there is no Master but Jesus.
The term "master" has 23 noun definitions
and 3 verb definitions in my dictionary.
Master1 -- a person with the ability or
power to use, control, or dispose of something
(This is the same as "lord1")
Master8 -- a person whose teachings are accepted
or followed
(this is the New Age definition)
Master5 -- an owner of a slave, animal, etc.
(this is the Christian definition)
Jesus is my Master; i am a slave of Jesus.
"Master" here in HCSB Acts 4:24 is stronger than
the "Lord" in the KJVs Acts 4:24. Fortunately both
translations show that our Lord & Master, Jesus
is God.
Blessed by our Absolute Sovereign Master: the
blessed Jesus (AKA in the KJV1611 as "Iesus").
So when they heard that, they raised their voice to God
with one accord and said: "Lord, You are God,
who made heaven and earth and the sea,
and all that is in them, ... "
I note the nKJV follows the TR as does the KJVs.
Most radical KJVOs never mention this
good feature of the nKJV but concentrate
on what they see as negative but
are trivial nKJV features???
Acts 4:24 (KJV1769):
And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God
with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God,
which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea,
and all that in them is:
Acts 4:24 (HCSB):
When they heard this, they raised their voices to God
unanimously and said, "Master, You are the One
who made the heaven, the earth, and the sea,
and everything in them.
Again, "Master" is a much stronger term than "Lord".
Why do Americans get "bent out of
shape" about "Lord" versus "Master".
Section 9, Paragraph 10 of the United States Constitution
(adopted in 1788) assures no title of nobility
shall be granted. This assures us that there is
no Lord but Jesus.
The 132th Ammendment to the US Constitution
(adapted in 1865) abolishes slavery. This assures us
that there is no Master but Jesus.
The term "master" has 23 noun definitions
and 3 verb definitions in my dictionary.
Master1 -- a person with the ability or
power to use, control, or dispose of something
(This is the same as "lord1")
Master8 -- a person whose teachings are accepted
or followed
(this is the New Age definition)
Master5 -- an owner of a slave, animal, etc.
(this is the Christian definition)
Jesus is my Master; i am a slave of Jesus.
"Master" here in HCSB Acts 4:24 is stronger than
the "Lord" in the KJVs Acts 4:24. Fortunately both
translations show that our Lord & Master, Jesus
is God.
Blessed by our Absolute Sovereign Master: the
blessed Jesus (AKA in the KJV1611 as "Iesus").
Acts 4:24 (nKJV): "Lord, You are God,
who made heaven and earth and the sea,
and all that is in them, ... "
Ed: "I note the nKJV follows the TR as does the KJVs."
Here the underlying KJV text is the same (DESPOTA = "Master") whether one follows the TR (any edition), the Byzantine or majority text, or the Alexandrian text.
OTOH, the Alexandrian text (p74 Aleph A B 2495)does omit "the God" following "you" (I suspect accidentally due to homoioteleuton of skipping from hO to hO), thus resulting in the HCSB reading; but this is not the issue under discussion.
who made heaven and earth and the sea,
and all that is in them, ... "
Ed: "I note the nKJV follows the TR as does the KJVs."
Here the underlying KJV text is the same (DESPOTA = "Master") whether one follows the TR (any edition), the Byzantine or majority text, or the Alexandrian text.
OTOH, the Alexandrian text (p74 Aleph A B 2495)does omit "the God" following "you" (I suspect accidentally due to homoioteleuton of skipping from hO to hO), thus resulting in the HCSB reading; but this is not the issue under discussion.
Terry_Herrington
New Member
God is much stronger than One. Also, I do not think that Master is stronger than Lord.
manchester
New Member
KJV twists God's Word, interprets warning against homosexuality as "effeminate" in 1 Cor 6:9-10
Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, or swindlers will inherit God's kingdom. (HCSB)
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (KJV)
Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, or swindlers will inherit God's kingdom. (HCSB)
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (KJV)
Ed Edwards
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Occult3 - of or pertaining to magic,
astrology, and other alleged sciences
claiming use or knowledge of secret,
mysterious, or supernatural agenecies.
Gnostic1 - pertaining to or having special
knowledge, esp. of spiritual things
Note that gnostic1 is a subset of
occult3. That is, every member of
gnostic1 subset is also a member of
the occult3 set.
I note that KJVO#4 and KJVO#5 are subsets
of gnostic1. That is, these radical KJVOs
believe they have a special knowledge
found only in their exclusive English
Bible, the KJB. Thus, radical KJVOs
are members of the occult3 set.
Masons are not gnostic1.
Masons practice in secret but don't stress
secret knowledge. Masons are members
of the occult3 set because they
practice in secret.
(and for all i know masons practice
magic in secret. )
Caveat: Masons are a secret organication
so i cannot be sure they are not members
of the gnostic1 set.
"New Age" isn't in my 1976 dictionary as
a religions movement. I construe that "New
Age" has no functional meaning. Feel free
to define it if you use it with me.
or use different terms such as the ones above
that do relate meaning to me. Thank you.
"Magic" is a human attempt to control
the occult forces of the universe.
"Magic" is always wrong -- the
real controler and Master of the Universe
is God and He doesn't let humans pull
his strings.
astrology, and other alleged sciences
claiming use or knowledge of secret,
mysterious, or supernatural agenecies.
Gnostic1 - pertaining to or having special
knowledge, esp. of spiritual things
Note that gnostic1 is a subset of
occult3. That is, every member of
gnostic1 subset is also a member of
the occult3 set.
I note that KJVO#4 and KJVO#5 are subsets
of gnostic1. That is, these radical KJVOs
believe they have a special knowledge
found only in their exclusive English
Bible, the KJB. Thus, radical KJVOs
are members of the occult3 set.
Masons are not gnostic1.
Masons practice in secret but don't stress
secret knowledge. Masons are members
of the occult3 set because they
practice in secret.
(and for all i know masons practice
magic in secret. )
Caveat: Masons are a secret organication
so i cannot be sure they are not members
of the gnostic1 set.
"New Age" isn't in my 1976 dictionary as
a religions movement. I construe that "New
Age" has no functional meaning. Feel free
to define it if you use it with me.
or use different terms such as the ones above
that do relate meaning to me. Thank you.
"Magic" is a human attempt to control
the occult forces of the universe.
"Magic" is always wrong -- the
real controler and Master of the Universe
is God and He doesn't let humans pull
his strings.
Ed Edwards
<img src=/Ed.gif>
Terry_Herrington: "God is much stronger than One.
The term "God" is present in the same sentence
in an earlier phrase. There is no justification
for the second "God" in the sentence in the
source texts.
Terry_Herrington: "Also, I do not think that Master
is stronger than Lord."
Interesting, you get to have opinions on the HCSB.
Am i prohibited from having opinions about the
KJVs?
The term "God" is present in the same sentence
in an earlier phrase. There is no justification
for the second "God" in the sentence in the
source texts.
Terry_Herrington: "Also, I do not think that Master
is stronger than Lord."
Interesting, you get to have opinions on the HCSB.
Am i prohibited from having opinions about the
KJVs?
A few weeks/months ago a certain someone went on a rampage claiming that the phrase "the Christ" (with the definite article "the") is/was a New Age occultism.
Here is one of the 400+ differences between the AV1611 and AV1769:
AV1611 Matthew 16:16 ...thou art Christ...
AV1769 Matthew 16:16 ...thou are the Christ...
HankD
Here is one of the 400+ differences between the AV1611 and AV1769:
AV1611 Matthew 16:16 ...thou art Christ...
AV1769 Matthew 16:16 ...thou are the Christ...
HankD
Terry_Herrington
New Member
No Ed, you aren't prohibited from having you opinions, just like I am not prohibited from disagreeing with them.
Ed Edwards
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O.K. Brother Terry works for me.
