Hebrews 6:4-6

Amen

Its always good to look at context.

 

He is saying that one can lose your salvation Jarthor.

That is why we were discussing the fact a beleiver can not be an apostate for they (true beleiver) will not and can not leave the faith.

You view of the scriptures is interesting.
So you are contending these verses are dealing with our testamony as beleivers instead of salvation that bears out this testamony? [Just a question]

 

If you're referring to me, I have said no such thing.

In fact, I said the opposite.

You cannot lose your spiritual salvation, so this passage is not talking about spiritual salvation. Because, if it's talking about spiritual salvation, it's talking about losing it, and only a believer can be apostate.

So, I will reiterate: If it's talking about spiritual salvation, it's talking about losing it. That's not possible, so it's talking about something else.

 

Well NOW you make it clear! :BangHead:

Sorry for the misunderstanding then.
We were both saying the same thing but in different languages, or maybe I just had my hearing aide turn off while you were speaking.

Forgive? raying:

If so: :1_grouphug:

 

Allan,

If you think my view of scripture is interesting, you should hear my views on basketball strategies. In short its this...
The other players are only on the count to get the ball to me.

Yes, this is how I see it. What do you think? Does it not fit context better then other views. I welcome all input and critique.



In Christ...james

 

Well, since you didn't call me an unsaved heretic, OK. Just this once.

 

OOoooooooKay!

I have rarely called one a heritic with the exception of Benny Hinn, Oral Roberts, Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth & Gloria Copeland, Paul & Jan Crouch and those of like beleifs.

I think it is normally just discussion of view point until you start denying the immutable truths of scripture or begin declaring we are God and Jesus was the first person born-agian - Trash like that - I call without appology ~HERESY

 

One of the best brief explanations I have ever read. Amen!

 

I second this... Except I believe they were not saved at the first tasting and won't be saved at the second, third or fourth tasting because they are hard headed and will always be hard headed and will always refuse to take Christ and the offerring of salvation as it is written. There always folks who want to add to the story. Those are the ones who say BELIEVE AND etc... (speak in tounges etc...)

The bible says believe...

What would make a man who believes in the free gift of salvation go back to killing livestock? It is because he never put all his trust and hope in the free gift. If you have not put your all on the alter, are you saved?

 

I still ask the question of "Why would anyone 'choose' to jump out of a perfectly sound airplane, unless they were paratroopers?"

Ed

 

Well said! It's a participle, if my memory is correct (in context with the other four or five found in the first six verses or so, of Hebrews 6), correctly rendered as "having fallen away", and not "If they shall fall away...".

I do admit to being nostalgic regarding my memory.

Ed

 

Just showing how impossible it is to fall from Grace

It says it is impossible to renew him again unto repentance. He must of got there or it would not be renew.

Made partakers of the Holy Ghost. Some says they were not all the way in but they were partakers of the Holy Ghost.

They were made partakers of the Holy Ghost. I read where someone in the world wanted to buy the Holy Ghost and what the Lord said to him. The world never have had the Holy Ghost. You are either in or out you can't be "lukewarm" and partakers of the Holy Ghost

 

Maybe you would, if Jesus kicked you out?
Kicking yout out of salvation -- does that sound like an attribute of the
only begotten Son of God ?

 

Ed, am I also mistaken but I remember the word THE is also not in the original?

Not, "In the beginning" it is "In Beginning"...

 

So I understand, you are saying they were not saved?

 

No, I am saying it didn't happen. showing how impossible it is, to have a weak God who would let you fall away.

4: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame

That IF is there and to me it is saying they did or they didn't and I pick the "they didn't".

The passage does not say anyone fell, just IF.

 

We have been over this before for a few pages. Look back near the beginning. The "if" is not there.

 

I'm still not clear but I 100% agree with this, one loosing their salvation would mean Christ was unable to keep our salvation secure.

 

6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame

Hebrews, chapter 6


Compare with Revised Standard Version: Hebr.06



1: Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2: Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3: And this will we do, if God permit.
4: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

 

Bob,


I have read this myself 100s of time in the Greek, it is not there. You can post all the translations you want....it still is not in the Greek