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"Hell-a-vision" the real issue

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  1. tinytim

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    You make a good point..

    By saying something material is sinful, is akin to pantheism in which it is taugtht that Material things have life in them.

    The only things that can be sinful is humans..
    Material things can be used by humans for sinful purposes...
     
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  2. blackbird

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    I have a buddy of mine who lives in Baton Rouge where he and I grew up together.

    One particular day---he and his son were driving through a certain neighborhood in the city and there on the curbside was a big ole 54" television set

    His thought was---that person is throwing that televison set away

    So he turns around and returns to the house--drives up in to the driveway and knocks on the door---a lady answers

    "M'am!!! We noticed that television set out by the curb!! Is that your TV??"

    "It certainly is!!"

    "Are you throwin' it away??"

    "I most certainly am!!"

    "Does it work!!"

    "It most certainly does!! It works fine!! In fact--its a brand new set!!"

    "M'am!! Since you're throwing it away---can I have it??"

    "You most certainly can!!"

    "M'am!! Just why are you getting rid of it??"

    "Because-----when the TV is playin'---neither my husband nor my kids pay any attention to me or to what I'm sayin'!! All they care about is watching tv!!"

    Televison robs us of intelligent conversations!!

    Blackbird
     
    #22 blackbird, Jan 17, 2009
  3. Spinach

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    Sometimes it can induce intelligent conversations as well. My husband, kids, and I always discuss the things we've watched. History/science shows are particularly fun to discuss.

    Our TV is not in the family room. Our musical instruments are. I don't like the idea of competing with a TV. We watch ours on rainy days and late at night when we can't fall asleep.

    If someone has a TV, fine. Use it with discretion. If someone doesn not have a TV, fine, but if you judge those that do, you err. Meat and herbs---I guess it is up to the individual which one is the meat and which is the herbs.
     
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  4. Aaron

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    Nope. That's not what I said. I said the real issue in the arguments is the folks who can't bide others who may be more devout or mature in their religion (or relationship with Christ, if you prefer) than they are.

    I've noticed that no one can post anything about the disadvantages and outright dangers in allowing TV (especialy pay TV) without "our gang" branding them as Pharisees if they don't concede to our gang's demands and confess that foregoing television is no better than not. It isn't Christian liberty that is the issue, the real issue in these discussions is what I said above—envy: and, Tim, envy is the mark of a true Pharisee.
     
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  5. saturneptune

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    No doubt you are a mature Christian with a sound mind. The real issue is to learn where the off button is and use it.
     
    #25 saturneptune, Jan 18, 2009
  6. Aaron

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    When someone says something about the morality of TV, he's not talking about capacitors, resistors and tubes. No one buys a TV for its parts, he buys it for its use. So your point is moot.
     
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  7. Aaron

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    You thought it was important that we know you did something not at all in service to Christ, but in service to yourself and money?

    Okay.
     
    #27 Aaron, Jan 18, 2009
  8. saturneptune

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    Give me a break.
     
    #28 saturneptune, Jan 18, 2009
  9. annsni

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    Who is more devout? Who is more mature? Interestingly enough, I'm reading a book right now by Tim Challies called "The Discipline of Spiritual Discernment". You know one sign of a mature Christian? Discernment. He points to Hebrews 5 for support for this:

    There is a difference between maturity and being a pharisee. A Pharisee is one who points to someone else and says "I'm more spiritual than you. You are wrong. You need to be like me." They point to themselves. Instead, a true mature Christian points to their Father.

    Envy is the mark of a true Pharisee? I don't think so and you have no Biblical support for your argument. The sign of a true Pharisee, as I said is being proud, thinking themselves superior and accusing others of not being as good as they are.

    I know many families (including one of our pastors) who choose to not have a TV in their home. They've thought about it, prayed about it and made that decision for their family. I do not consider them a Pharisee. However, one who says that TV is evil and needs to be smashed with a baseball bat - and anyone that has it is being used as a tool by Satan is not mature or more "devout". In fact, I've seen that many very immature believers throw out their TV (or do something stupid like smash it when it can be donated to a school to use as a monitor or the like - it's not being a good steward of our resources if we destroy what has been purchased) because of being told that it is "evil and straight from Satan". So maturity and devotion have nothing to do with it.

    Aaron, I have to say that you've lost any respect that I start out giving to everyone on this board. You've posted nothing but anger and harsh words in the last few weeks. I'll be praying that God softens your heart to the child of God.
     
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  10. annsni

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    Aaron - if you don't wish to hear in a debate forum how others have dealt with issues in their own family then don't come here. Do us all a favor.
     
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  11. Aaron

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    I'm surprised you think I covet anyone's respect. But that's beside the point.

    I live in the low-rent district. There are prostitutes, gangs and porn shops in my neighborhood. My oldest attends the public school where she is more in the heart of the iniquity than my home-schooled children. Don't think that we don't deal with these issues on a daily basis. Your head-in-the-sand-ivory-tower religion is no help. The only help is the no-nonsense approach: You're a wretch destined for hell. Turn or burn.

    But since you seem intent on making MY methods the issues in discussions, I'll refer you to a post of mine a few years ago:
    You should be pleased I save my harshest criticisms for those who think themselves spiritual.
     
    #31 Aaron, Jan 18, 2009
  12. Lagardo

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    You do know that the position of accuser of the brethren has been filled?

    Why do want the job so badly?
     
    #32 Lagardo, Jan 18, 2009
  13. saturneptune

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    Why would anyone care?
     
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  14. Aaron

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    Ann doesn't know that. Not content to simply think the Sanderson's quacks, she frequents their blogs looking for things to harp on.

    What I should have said was, you should be pleased I save my harshest criticisms for those who think themselves spiritual, as you with the Sanderson's.
     
    #34 Aaron, Jan 18, 2009
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    Oh - so you know what I do and why I do it? For your information, I know a dear young woman who is convicted to cover her hair with a headcovering. She is obedient to her husband in this. Yet Mr. Anderson's wife and congregants went ahead and attacked this young woman online, ridiculing her and telling her that she's going to hell because she believes in a works-based salvation (which is far from the truth). I went to defend her and found the other information.

    The accuser of the bretheren is absolutely filled. I am pointing out absolute truths and proofs of why a man who speaks of the "hell-a-vision" and smashes it in front of children frightening them is not a man worthy of our time, effort or attention. He's a nut, plain and simple. His wife is the same and they are brainwashing their children to hate. Not just hate someone who is homosexual (who CAN be saved by the blood of the Lamb) but someone who is absolutely saved and, in obedience to God's command, is obedient to her husband.



    (Edited per request of the poster.)
     
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  16. Dr. Bob

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    Does make me thankful some of you are not in MY church. :thumbsup:

    Let's be careful with the attacks . . . even if we think the person is really waaaaaaaaaaaaaay over the edge.

    Afte all the KJV says "Comfort the feebleminded".
     
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