Hells Nursery

Same debate him and I already had with same remarks being said. You will not convince him HP.

 

You doing good HP, carry on.

 

My eight month old would probably just look at me, and not have a clue what I was talking about (my avatar is my son)

Did you let Paul know this before he wrote Romans?

Have you even read Romans 5? Read it and come back...

Have you even read Romans 1? Read it and come back...

Why don't you ask God, since it's in His Word

 

Grace being the Love of God then I do think they need that for they must have a change to go to Heaven and I am not talking about forgiveness but changed from a natural to a Spiritual body. So, I think they do need His Grace which is His Love.

 

So the classic argument that you guys like to use does not apply to you in this case? You guys like to say ALL means ALL as in each and every. I have seen it on each one of your posts, Webdog, Bro. Bob. HP. So tell me here why ALL does not mean each and every. Show me where it says ALL except for infants and children. You cannot so either you hold to your argument and ALL means ALL including infant and children or it does not you cannot have it both ways. David himself said he was not innocent, he says in his psalms he was sinful from birth.

Babies are not innocent they are sinful beings by nature. You still have not answered the question of whether or not the people in countries that have no access to the gospel and have never heard the law are saved. According to your logic and arguments they are and if you say they aren't then you discount your own argument. If you say they are then you discount what Webdog is trying to prove by mentioning Romans 1 God makes himself known to all men in all ways so NONE are without excuse. To stay consistent with your arguments this includes infant and children.

I never said children were in hell and I do not believe they are, I said on page one that I do not believe that, what I SAID was that IF they were in hell God would be justified in doing so.

Show me where this exists and show me where the Bible says what age it is. An age of accountability has to be specific it cannot be arbitrary otherwise everyone could decide when they feel they understand. Since there is no age of accountablity you cannot show what age it is.

 

He was alive, not in the sense of having spiritual life (6:11), but in his OWN estimation. Knowing the law, which promised life for obedience(v.10), made Paul realize that law-keeping was required. Trying to obey it made him realize that inwardly, in the desires of his heart(especially coveting v.8 the sin forbidden in the 10 commandment), he was constantly breaking the law even before he knew it, and when he saw what he was doing he could not stop. Therefore Paul writes that sin, the anti-God, anti-law driving force within him, "deceived me and ...killed me"(v.11) he became convinced that spritually he was lifeless and lost.

So where does he say he was innocent until a certain age? Let me help you... he doesn't.

 

Then how could your 8-month old walk into a store and take something.

Romans 5 lets see you must be talking about verse 13 did you not read the rest of the chapter? Read v14,18,19, and 20-which says the law came in to INCREASE the trespass... if there was none to begin with how could it increase.

Romans 1 yes talks about the sinfulness of all men and how they are without excuse because God makes himself known, yet you contend all mean each and every individual, which by your definition would include children and infants.

Lets do what you guys do since it says all MEN what happens to the women, are they excluded because the bible speaks of all Men.

 

Anyone who says my infant son is going to Hell isn't coming anywhere near him...

Let me ask: what sin has he committed? For what of his actions should he be condemned to Hell for all eternity? It seems to me that the "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" cannot apply to infants or those with the mental age of an infant, since they are incapable of sin until they become aware of the knowledge of good and evil. To insist otherwise seems to me to be a monstrous doctrine...

 

He has not commited the sin(act) but he is sinful(nature). I too have an infant son. He is quite precious, yet he is sinful. He is a sinner from birth whether he knows it or not.

By the way I DO NOT BELEIVE BABIES GO TO HELL! I do not know how to make it any clearer so please to all the people that want to atrribute that belief to me stop.

Monstrous? In whose eyes, yours. Was it monstrous for God to kill David's son, or to ask Abraham to kill Isaac, or all the Egyptian children killed in the plagues? Before you attribute monstrosity make sure you do not get your feelings about it mixed in with reality.

 

Here we go again, another Baptist saying that salvation isn't God's doing but their own.

Knowledge is not a prerequisite of being guilty. One of the points of the Law is to point out our pre-existing guilt.

I have an newborn daughter myself, and if it wasn't for the fact that she has grown up in a household where the unadulterated gospel is proclaimed I'd be worried about her.

Once again the lets withhold God's grace from babies crowd is arguing from emotion rather than from the truth of God's Word. Your son is just as bad a sinner as you are and is in need of Christ just as much as you, and you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to make excuses for him rather than trying to share the goodnews of Christ.

 

Amen Chemnitz!! I am thankful that God saved me and that has found me worthy to raise a son in His house.

 

In what way is he just as bad a sinner as I am? What sins has he committed? (Hint: to be a 'sinner', you have to 'sin')