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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Ehud, Jul 7, 2007.

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  1. TCGreek

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    A sensible response. You spoke for me too.:thumbs:
     
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  2. TC

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    Show me where in the Bible that the KJV is the only valid English translation and I will listen. Since no one has ever produced that evidence, I will not believe KJVO.

    Yes, I have learned a great deal here.

    The owner has that right and is gracious enough to let us come and post our thoughts on his space, and in exchange we agree to obey the posting rules that have been set forth.

    Goes for all of us - freedom readers included.

    The owner has the right to control it.
     
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  3. Keith M

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    Well, Askjo has given us one opinion. However, there is nothing in Scripture or in logical thinking to back up this opinion. Askjo expects everyone else to adhere to this thinking or else everyone else is wrong. Right, Askjo?

    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

    There is no foundation of any kind to support KJVO thinking. The entire foundation of KJVO thought is based in deep confusion, error and a belief that God decided His promise to preserve His word had been kept long enough in 1611.
     
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  4. Ehud

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    Confuse Keith M

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    Can you prove this statement Keith M ??????????????

    Please Can any one who uses the modern versions, give evidence of where God would have perserved his word.

    I know where God did not perserve his word.

    O ya- God would preserve His word through two apostate Bible critics, that did not even believe in Inspiration, the deity of Christ or Heaven.

    Here are some facts about the fathers of Modern versions.

    This is free. you will not learn this at B-U, or any other apostate school.

    "Westcott and Hort are clearly, unwilling to commit themselves to the inerrancy of the original scriptures" (Zane c. Hoge, "Rationalism and contempory New Testament Textual Criticism, " Bibliotheca Sacra, January 1971).

    "But I am not able to go as far as you in asserting the Infallibility of a Canonical writing" letter from from Hort

    "for I too "must disclaim setteling for infallibility.' In the front of my convictions all I hold is the more I learn, the more I am convinced that fresh doubts come from my own ignorance, and that at present I find the presumption in favor of the absolute truth- I reject the word infallibility- of the Holy Scripture overwhelming" Westcott writing to Hort in 1860, cited in life and letters of Brook Foss Westcott, vol. 1 p 207).

    "But the book which has most engaged me is Darwin. Whatever may be the thought of it, it is a book that one is proud to be a contemporary with... My feeling is strong that the theory is unanswerable" Hort writing april3, 1860, life of Hort, vol. 1

    He believed more in man came from monkeys then a God preserved, inspired Bible: laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

    "No one now, I suppose, holds that the first three chapters of Genesis give literal history-- I could never understand how any one reading them with open eyes could think they did-- yet they disclose to us a gospel so it is probably else where [in the Bible]" Westcott, writing to Arch Bishop of Canterbury in 1890.

    " I am inclined to think that no such state as "Eden"(i mean the popular notion) ever existed... Westcott, life and letters of brook Foss Westcott Vol. 1 p. 78

    Well we know where he is not!

    Their theology,
    Commenting on 1 Peter 1:2, 19 " In the N.T. the blood of Christ is associated with various images which clearly distinguished. there is here [1 peter 1:2] no direct reference to the idea of purchas or ransom, as in vv.18, 19.. or to the ideal of sacrificial atonement...

    Heaven- commenting on John 1:18 " the Bosom of the father [like heaven] is a state not a place....

    And so on. Westcott and Hort were not even Bible believers, nor saved. they were rationalist who did not believe in Jesus as God.
    These are the fathers of all modern versions

    I wonder where God would have preserved his word????

    So go-ahead grab a Nasv, Niv, or whatever they bee, but pleeease do not confuse them with God's Holy divine preserved word.


    I would be embarrassed to have Westcott and Hort connected with my Bible.

    Ehud "Just a Ploughboy"
     
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  5. Ed Edwards

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    Yawn :sleeping_2:

    Go read this twice:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=2573&highlight=Hort

    You can't win here, we have a person or two who
    read the books misquoted by imperfect scholars.

    God has used Westcott and Hort to preserve
    His Holy Written Word(s) for the English Speaking
    people of 2007.

    Probably the best
    (but certainly not onlyist) preservation is in the three
    Different King James Versions (KJVs) easily available
    both electronically (searchable) and on paper.
     
    #25 Ed Edwards, Jul 8, 2007
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    Nice try, Ehud, but there have been bogus Bibles since before the time of Wycliffe.

    No translator today relies too much upon the work of W&H. but then they just don't ignore it completely, either.

    Given the many, many Hebrew and Greek words/phrases that have multiple English meanings, "accuracy" can be a relative thing, as we've seen. And WE have NO right to just arbitrarily pick-n-choose for everyone else. And just about every version has a translation that someone will disagree with.

    As I've said for years, the matter of selecting the "right" version(s) comes down to PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
     
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  7. Bro. Williams

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    Without getting into the version issue, so speaking, would it not be better that an individual seeks out what God's preference would be for them and not there own? Since we are not our own and bought with a price? That there sounds like some bad advice your giving. Kinda like, "attend the church of your choice" kind of thinking (or not thinking).
     
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  8. npetreley

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    Sure, I'll take God's preference. I've searched the Bible and I still haven't found any mention of versions, let alone a documented preference by God for one over another. Any tips on how I can find those mystery verses?
     
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  9. Bro. Williams

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    You tell me bub. I was talking about praying in this case. But yeah, you probably already know the verses the KJVOs give, [personal attack deleted]? I am not trying to make this a KJV issue yet, so the thread can live. My duty there was to correct bad advice. Anything else you want to offer your magnificent wisdom on?
     
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  10. Rippon

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    Remember Matthew 5:22 BW . You had to apologize once before --- do you need to learn the same lesson again ?
     
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  11. Keith M

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    Ehud, the burden of proof lies on you and a few others who support KJVO thinking. You make these fantastic and errant claims that the KJV is exclusively the word of God in English. Yet you have no suppor for this claim anywhere in Scripture. And you guys can't even decide which of the various KJVs is the perfect one and which are not perfect. There are differing readings in some of the KJVs, yet you claim there is only one KJV and that it is perfect. Where is your proof???????????????? (Here's a little hint, Ehud: there is no proof of the KJVO position anywhere in Scripture!)
     
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    Bro. Williams, your implication is that God would only lead someone to one particular English Bible version. This is not the case at all. I have prayed about this matter, and God has led me to use the NKJV as my main English Bible translation. God has also led me to accept the fact that His word can be perfectly preserved in more than one particular set of English words. This is not just a matter of my own choice over God's choice - it IS God's leading for my life!
     
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  13. npetreley

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    Hey, the ball is in your court. You're the one who implied there's a "God's choice of Bible versions". Can you clue us in as to which version God endorses, and where you found the endorsement?
     
    #33 npetreley, Jul 9, 2007
  14. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Surprise, surprise - this has become a KJVO thread.
     
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