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Hence the reason the left does not want voter id laws

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by mandym, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. freeatlast

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    If you go back and read what I posted you will then know. I see it as evil because I believe in freedoms and rights of the people.
     
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    There is no "right" to vote without providing evidence that you are the intended voter. In other words an ID
     
  3. freeatlast

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    You don't get it. You are supporting more government with no benefits. The law is worthless. Illegals already have all the proof they need to vote. Most of them have drivers licenses, and SS cards.
    The government knows this and this is simply a way to creap up on the public national ID cards.
     
  4. mandym

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    there is nothing to get. Voter ID and National ID cards are two different things. The people pushing voter ID do not want National ID's. Info wars is hard on the brain.
     
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    The difference between a social security card and a "voter ID" would be the use of technology. Social security cards haven't really changed for a long time, and I haven't heard of any movements to "update" them to take advantage of new technology.

    While I haven't seen the propositions for the design/implementation of a voter ID card, and believe it would be currently limited to individual states (and thus, negating the argument about "national"), it's not hard to imagine that a standardized voter ID card for all states would take advantage of the latest technology, such as RFID, in order to verify "one card, one vote."

    And thus, it's not a far leap at all to consider how such technology could be expanded. It couldn't replace driver's licenses, because those are still regulated by state; but it could eventually be used for health purposes in regards to nationalized health care. The next step would be to tie it to existing federal systems, like social security. Later, if they figure out how to federalize the banking system, then tie the card to that. But that's still quite a ways down the road.

    I agree that all that should be required is a driver's license or social security card; because, in the end argument, even a national ID card will be able to be falsified just like driver's licenses and social security cards. We don't need additional documentation or laws; only enforcement of what we already have.
     
  6. mandym

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    Voter ID card is another way of saying requiring a photo ID when voting. There is no specific voter ID card being pushed.
     
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    And there is no need for the law except from a socialist position. The law does nothing for the people.
     
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    We now have a voter ID law in Wisconsin. In the past, anyone who knew my name and address could steal my vote and cast it illegally. Identity was based on the honor system, which was an open invitation to voter fraud. Now, a photo ID proving I am who I say I am ensures that it is truly me casting my vote.

    Our voter ID law certainly does something for me, nothing socialist about it.
     
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    Yes it is socialist. Voter ID does nothing positive! Illegals here already have picture ID's. The law is worthless except to open the door for a national ID system.
     
  10. mandym

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    Socialist? talk about exaggerating things. A photo ID does ensure a correct vote.
     
  11. freeatlast

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    No it does not! All it does is show the picture of the person holding the ID It does not prove they are legal to vote.
     
  12. mandym

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    A correct vote is ensured by a photo ID.
     
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    No it is not. Illegals already have photo ID's
     
  14. mandym

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    :laugh::laugh:
     
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    Explain what socialism has to do with it.
     
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    Free, when you come to Syracuse - we can both go and get one in our foreheads :smilewinkgrin:



    On the serious side - requiring an ID is not socalism.

    socialism, general term for the political and economic theory that advocates a system of collective or government ownership and management of the means of production and distribution of goods

    vvv I suppose if you stretch the meaing of a national ID about 10 miles you might be able to say it is socalism-
    nah - not even close.
     
  17. mandym

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    Hey! Did you know that having to show a valid photo ID when you vote along with your voters registration card will ensure a correct vote?
     
  18. mandym

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    Because infowars says so.
     
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    Yep, old news to me.

    FAL, on the other hand, apparently hasn't rec'd the memo though.
     
  20. freeatlast

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    No it will not.
     
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