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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by LeBuick, Sep 1, 2008.

  1. Andy T.

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    I know, since it soothes their consciences. It's so much easier to let the government do their charitable work for them.

    A flat tax? I'm all for that. If you want a flat tax, McCain is your man, since Obama's tax policies will move us further away from a flat tax than McCain's would.
     
  2. LeBuick

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    If you are part of the 95% he said yours will go up.
     
  3. LeBuick

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    So basically everyone is getting a big piece of the pie except the working man...
     
  4. LeBuick

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    How so, McCain is giving tax breaks to those who can afford to pay the most. I don't see that as being either flat or fair.

    I don't know what fair is which is why we elect officials but I know that ain't it.
     
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    That working man can go start his own business and take his own risks. The pie belongs to the business owner. The working man agrees to work for a specific wage. Your philosophy is straight out of Marx ideology.
     
  6. LeBuick

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    To quote a preacher I know...

     
  7. Revmitchell

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    "His fair share of taxes" is dependent on what philosophy you hold to. Karl Marx or Capitalism. And the average working man is no comparison to the beggar in the parable.
     
  8. LeBuick

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    No, but all those who had their jobs sent overseas are at the gate and in need. Instead we send their share to a foreign land. There really is enough for both.
     
  9. Revmitchell

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    Unions, excessive taxes, and high labor costs send jobs overseas. If those jobs did not go overseas it is most likely they wuld still not exist here. Business owners would just fnd somethign else to invest in.
     
  10. LeBuick

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    I don't know Rev, Verizon is giving their employees free health care and pensions. Now the other companies they own Verizon Wireless and Verizon Business each have United health care (the employees pay 20%) and a 401K. I would say the union is doing good in this case.
     
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    I dont have a problem with unions until they become so focused on the employee tat they have no concern for the survival of the comapny.

    If companies fail to meet profit margins they will either shut down or move over seas. What puzzles me is why libs do not create these companies that they think can provide all these excessive salaries and benefits. Instead they want to impose on existing companies their own standards.

    If the libs standards for companies were so realistic they would be able to create them for themselves and change the general standard via the free market. Unfortunately libs can do nothing that does not include the government. Then they cry about freedom when it comes to protecting the country.
     
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    If you have any problems with unions, you better hope Obama does not get elected.

    They own him.

    Bought and paid for.
     
  13. Bible-boy

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    We already had this deabte. Yes BHO says he will cut income taxes for 95% of Americans. He also says that in order to save Social Security for the next 50 years he will increase the Social Security taxes deducted from our paychecks. Then he will impose a "windfall profits tax on big oil" and ultimately we will end up paying for this new tax for the oil companies at the pump. All the other Socialist policies he says he will institute will also have to be paid for somehow, and that somehow will come in the form of other new taxes. All of this will wipe away the little tax cut BHO is promising to 95% of Americans. But hey, go right ahead and vote for him because you believe he is stickin up for the little guy.:BangHead:
     
  14. Andy T.

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    No wonder you vote Democratic - you can't even think for yourself - you let the gubmit determine what fair is.

    Earlier you said everyone paying 10% would be fair. That is a flat tax. You do realize that rich people currently pay a higher % of income tax, don't you? And even with McCain's proposals, they still would be paying a higher % - you do know that, too? Obama's would do the opposite. Thus, McCain's proposals would bring us close to a flat tax (although not nearly as much as it should be).

    I think it's obvious you haven't thought this through very well. You've bought into the typical class warfare liberal thinking. I guess that's what happens when you let others think for you.
     
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    Like Karl Marx
     
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    Everyone who reads this thread should read Thomas Sowell's assessment of Obama's plan.

    Read it HERE.

    Well, I would agree that it sounds good. However, what if Verizon goes out of business? Is it a good decision then?

    Everyone can keep touting the benefits of unions. I remember having my tires slashed, having my lunch, shall we say, "messed with," and being physically threatened when I refused to join a union back when I worked my way through school.

    Ya'll can have them.
     
  17. LeBuick

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    If I'm not mistaken Barak only said he would not privatize social security not that he would raise our taxes to fix it. Did I miss some? Isn't there a rule where we have to support our claims? SS would work if the politicians would stop using the money for other things. SS is really not broken, it's been robbed...
     
  18. LeBuick

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    No, the facts are the rich pay less percentage of their income in taxes because of all the loopholes in the code including ones that incent them to send American jobs overseas.
     
  19. Bible-boy

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    Apparently you did.

    Hint: that means he is going to recommend increased SS taxes to be withheld from American's paychecks.

    Like I said we already had this debate in the thread about BHO's acceptance speech and all the evidence directly quoted from BHO's campaign website with links were provided there.




    You are only partly correct. Now that the baby boomer generation has started to retire the money taken from our paychecks for SS will soon not be enough to pay the boomer's SS benefits. The government has already spent the money that was taken from the boomer's paychecks. In the near future more boomers will be retired and living on SS than there are workers putting funds into the system. So you are correct the SS system has been robbed. However, because it has been robbed it is now broken beyond repair due to the on set of baby boomer retirement.
     
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    You stopped short of posting the entire paragraph. This increase won't impact most of America. He wants to extend the tax on wages over $97,500 and says he will work with congress.

    I also like this suggestion of ending taxes on average Seniors. They did their part and should be made exempt.

    I don't buy the boomer story. I believe it's an excuse for the drawer of IOU's they left us. The boomer's should be paid by the American's currently working and paying SS just like we'll be paid by our grandchildren generation. Each year as the population grows there are more and more workers adding to the system and its sad to say but many who have paid into the system won't reach retirement age. I don't buy the boomer story.
     
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