Heresy

Amen. Let me know what passage of Scripture your studying through and I will look to and pray. Perhaps we will end up with the same conclusion.

RB

 

Thanks RB! :wavey:

 

Personally, I'm gonna' pray for less of it.

I think some of it has come from the BB, personally.


I just can't figure out why. :BangHead: :tonofbricks: :type:

I seem to be a bit confused over how this may have happened.

Anyone have any clues about why this might be the case?

Ed

 

Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

 

Count me in to..

I love this stuff. I just got done a few months ago, going through the entire book of revelation verse by verse in bible study class (for almost a year and half).
MacArther has some good stuff on this subject as well as many others but i would be glad to toss in my nickle if it might help Amy

 

I've gone the same route of reasoning and posted the same dictionary definitions a few months ago, and it just doesn't work with Baptists, my friend.

They will call anyone within and outside of their local churches heretics, and then preen their feathers with "humility" on how each Baptist church is local and autonomous and not subject to any fellowship, or bigger churches' set of doctrines and beliefs.

But, you are right, if one local church agrees in their covenant on a certain set of doctrines and practices, then the word heresy, in its strictest sense, can only be applied correctly to any of its members who acquires a different doctrine and practice from another church or sect and tries to bring it into his own congregation.

An Arminian Baptist church member such as DHK, for example, cannot meet with a Calvinistic Baptist church member such as Reformed Baptist and point a finger at him and call his beliefs heretical, and vice-versa, for the simple reason that they have their individual churches they belong to.

Calvinism is not a widely accepted doctrine even among Baptist fellowships, not to mention churches, and neither is Arminianism. Heck, even what we call Baptist distinctives may differ from one Baptist order to another. Come to think of it, even our view of Baptism does, and even our view of why Jesus was baptized differ.

 

I second MacArthur. His eschatology is very good, IMO.

 

Even this conforms with the definition of heresy, because guess who it was addressed to ?

Roman Christians, not all Christians everywhere who name the name of Christ.

Local.

 

interesting study

This thread caught my eye...

It is very interesting that there are to be heresies amongst the brethren, for the Lord tends to prove us through them...whether or not, I believe, we will study what some teach in our congregations and test the ideas or teachings.....1Co 11:19 For there must be also heresies <139> among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

God used this method with Israel also. De 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Peter continues this idea in his second letter. 2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies <139>, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Heresies come fro the flesh, and are listed among other sins in Galatians.
Ga 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies <139>,

I think the key to discerning what is a heresy is whether it is damnable or not. The word for damnable is apoleia, with the connotation of "the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hell" (Strong's quote)

Other Scriptures containing apoleia....2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways <684>; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation <684> slumbereth not.
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition <684> of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction <684>.

So for me, I believe based on the Scriptures, that the heresy has to be something which leads to destruction, or to put it bluntly, hell...that denies the very basis doctrines concerning salvation such that the doctrines provide a false hope at best.

 

Amen!!! I was taught the above and believe the above. We can disagree on the mechanics of salvation, that does not mean one of us is or isn't into heresy.

 

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

yes

Saved by grace, not by works lest any man shall boast.

 

It's actually "arminian" and "calvinist"

 

I agree

I agree with you, brother!

 

I should have included the atonement for sins - Jesus did not die just as a moral example or to show love. The latter view was popular among some mystics and is re-emerging with the emerging church.