Hey Guys, Look at The HCSB

As a footnote, I'm quite disappointed with Dr. Schreiner, for he has erred on this translation issue.

 

My remark about being "off base" was speaking entirely of your comment about the title. It has nothing to do with the way any word or phrase was translated. I did not deem your remark a "shot", unlike the one of gb93433. However, to call any translation, merely "New", and then only identify the "publisher" says nothing. That was why I said that. Don't have more time to play, this AM. Gotta' run.

Ed

 

Just for clarification, in what sense are you saying that the Church of England "owns" the KJV? Is it just another way of saying that the translators were all members of the C of E?

 

They were, but no, that is not what I meant.

The 'authorization' for the 1611 translation was done at the behest, and on behalf of the Church of England, and the titular 'head' of the Church of England, the King of England. The rights were established and protected under a 'Crown Patent', copyright, held by the Crown, and on behalf of the Church of England, which has never been rescinded, at least to my knowledge. The same is also true with the RV, I believe, as well.

The 'fact' that this is of little, if any, consequence, outside the UK (and some associated areas of the Commonwealth of Nations), in no way affects the facts of the matter.

Ed

 

What is HCSB?

 

Holman Christian Standard Bible.

hcsb.broadmanholman.com/

 

Thank you. I'm not familiar with it.

 

Lifeway, the Publication company that prints SBC = Southern Baptist Convention, materials had a deal with Zondervan to use the NIV = New International Version, in Lifeway material. Both the American KJV Edition and the NIV appeared in most Sunday School material side by size with the NIV. Zondervan decided to make a new Translation replacing the NIV. Zondervan produced the TNIV = Today's New International Version (Zondervan, 2006). Zondervan wanted Lifeway to pay through the nose for the TNIV (basically funding the translation over the life of the Zondervan/Lifeway contract. Lifeway & SBC decided to fund for & make their own translation of the Bible. Lifeway & SBC put up most of the money for usage rights. Holman Publications did the actual translation and owns the copyrights.

The HCSB = (Christian Standard Bible /Holman, 2003/ ). is the result. Starting in 2001 portions of the HCSB translation began appearing in Lifeway materials. The HCSB translators were first class translators from the SBC, related academically inclined Baptists, and kindred denominations (several Presbyterian denominations, the Missouri Synod of the Lutheran Church, etc.) Though the copyright date is 2003, I actually didn't get a printed copy of the whole Bible until 2004. The HCSB was probably the first (TNIV was second) translation of the Bible to be developed totally on-line.

 

Holman is a totally owned subsidiary (the publishing 'arm') of B&H, an agency of the SBC, and was acquired by the SBC through what was then, I believe, the Sunday School Board, although it could have already been known as 'Lifeway', in the early 90s, I believe. The translation that would eventually become the HCSB was already underway (and had been ongoing for more than a decade), headed by the late Dr. Arthur Farstad, by the time the SBC approached Dr. Farstad to financially fund the work. In essence, the SBC 'bought out' and 'hired' Dr. Farstad, Dr. Edward Blum, et al., to do the translation. After the unexpected death of Dr. Farstad at the age of 62, it continued with Dr. Blum as the editor-in-chief. Both Dr. Farstad and Dr. Blum were on the faculty at Dallas, at the commencement of the project.

Incidentally, Dr. Farstad was also the Chief Editor and 'guiding light' of both the NKJV (1982), and, along with Professor Zane Hodges, the Greek NT (Majority text) which came out in the early 80s, as well. Dr. Kenneth Barker, also then of Dallas, is the Chief Editor of the NIV Study Bible (and is also involved with the TNIV), and the primary Editors of the NET Bible, Drs. W. Hall Harris III, Robert Chisholm (OT) and Daniel Wallace (NT), are also all from Dallas.

What is it with these Dallas "guys" that puts so many of them so far out in the forefront of Bible translations and editions??

Ed

 

Are you aware that in about 1999 the SBC was making effort to bring dispensationalists onto their boards for "advisement" purposes? Criswell was a dispensationalist and Patterson is as well. The provost of SWBTS is a deispensationalist who has published a number of dispensationalist works.

 

It is just your usual Dallas/Ft. Worth* rivalry

*Note: Ft. Worth is home of the Southwestern Baptist Seminary, Keystone of the Texas Baptist Convention (formerly in the SBC, but today???).

 

Ed, I am no expert on this, but I know that "Crown Copyright" is a term applied (and applies) to anything published under the authority of the monarch. It is not held on behalf of anyone else.

I have not heard of the RV being Crown Copyright, but you may well be correct. (I don't have a copy to check).

As for consequences, I cannot say that I have ever noticed any as far as the KJV is concerned. The only one I know of is that printers have to have authority from the crown to print the KJV. Other crown copyright publications do indeed have more practical restrictions. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/advice/crown-copyright/breach-of-copyright.pdf gives a table of possible action taken in cases of breach of crown copyright. (HMSO on that site stands for "Her Majesty's Stationery Office"). But I have never heard of such action being taken in regard to a bible translation.