1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Housing: how much would it cost...

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Gina B, Feb 3, 2009.

  1. Gina B

    Gina B Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2000
    Messages:
    16,944
    Likes Received:
    1
    For the government to simply pay off people's notes who were going into foreclosure or in danger of it within five years? The people would keep their houses, the company holding the note would get their money, and wouldn't that be a ton cheaper and more effective than the current solution?
     
  2. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    52,013
    Likes Received:
    3,649
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I did not take out a loan that I cannot pay. Why should they get a free house courtesy of the tax payers as a whole?
     
  3. donnA

    donnA Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2000
    Messages:
    23,354
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't own a house, for the same reason RvMitchell stated, i couldn't afford to make payments. I'm not borrowing money or making myself a debt I can not pay. It's irresponsible.
     
  4. matt wade

    matt wade Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2009
    Messages:
    6,156
    Likes Received:
    78
    Predictions show that close to 3 million homes will foreclose in 2009. Let's be conservative and call it 2 million. Let's use a conservative figure on the amount owed, such as 150,000. That would be 2,000,000 x 150,000 = 300,000,000,000, or 300 billion dollars.

    How much money went to banks? If I remeber correctly it was 250 billion. So, the bailout was cheaper.

    BTW, I don't like either option :).
     
  5. donnA

    donnA Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2000
    Messages:
    23,354
    Likes Received:
    0
    Only the very rich have $150,000 homes here, the more average is around $50,000, I don't own my house but I know how much it was, $26,000. So people owing $150,000 on their houses went over board and bought more then they could pay, living above their means. Unless they're having no problem paying for it. And if I can't buy my own house I don't know why I should have to pay for someone else's with my tax dollars.
    Why does anyone think they can get themselves into more debt they can pay for and think the governement will/should pay off their homes. Maybe while their at it the governement will buy me a house. you think?
     
  6. just-want-peace

    just-want-peace Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2002
    Messages:
    7,727
    Likes Received:
    873
    Faith:
    Baptist
    To try to bypass the law of consequences does nothing more than add more consequences to an already overburdened situation.

    IOW, the bail--out will eventually result in more dire consequences than would have been experienced had the gov't stayed out of the problem and let nature take it's course.

    IMNSHO of course!! (What has the gov't ever been involved in -that was not it's constitutional duty - that was not made worse?
     
  7. StefanM

    StefanM Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2004
    Messages:
    7,333
    Likes Received:
    210
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Where I live, to get a modest house in a reasonably safe neighborhood, you'll have to pay 75-100k.

    I rent.
     
  8. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    52,013
    Likes Received:
    3,649
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I am not aware of any place in Florida where you can get a modest house for less than 130,000. The average middle class house is about 200,000. Upper middle class is 3 to 500,00. This is changing with the recent drop in the market which is about 40%. So now way to many people are upside down with high property taxes.
     
  9. matt wade

    matt wade Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2009
    Messages:
    6,156
    Likes Received:
    78
    Wish I lived where you people live. Around here under $100K gets you a complete dump.

    BTW, in 2004 the average home price in the US was $264,540.
     
  10. Magnetic Poles

    Magnetic Poles New Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2005
    Messages:
    10,407
    Likes Received:
    0
    That's about right around here too.
     
  11. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2002
    Messages:
    22,028
    Likes Received:
    1
    Yep, here, too. Nothing fancy.
     
  12. Dragoon68

    Dragoon68 Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2003
    Messages:
    4,511
    Likes Received:
    0
    Wait a minute! I want to refinance my home before this gets turned into law! I think I've been looking at this all wrong my whole life. The object shouldn't be to live within my means, pay my bills, etc. but rather to have everything I want right now, don't pay my bills, and let the rest of the good citizens cover me when the bill collector comes calling. Please, please, please delay action until I can get the cash in my hand and give my bank a worthless note!
     
  13. targus

    targus New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2008
    Messages:
    8,459
    Likes Received:
    0
    Does your plan include having those people then pay back the government with interest?

    Or is it just a straight up give away?

    Having the government act as the lender of last resort may make a little sense if the recipient is required to repay the money - perhaps even with garnishment from their paychecks.

    But a straight up give away? No thanks - not on my dime.
     
  14. saturneptune

    saturneptune New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    13,977
    Likes Received:
    2
    I have only owned one house in my life, and paid $50,000 for it 30 years ago. There has not been a mortgage on it in 15 years. Every penny came from me from jobs I have had with a high school education most of those years.

    I do not believe in government bailouts for anything, however, since it is obvious they are going to have one, I would much rather see the solution the author of this thread uses than giving money to banks with inept and greedy leaders. It is much cheaper, and helps those who need the money.
     
  15. North Carolina Tentmaker

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2003
    Messages:
    2,355
    Likes Received:
    1
    Well Gina, yes and no. It would be cheaper in the short term. But the long term consequences would be devastating.

    The reason we are in this mess to start with is the government interfered with the business of mortgage lending. They did this by creating Freddie and Fannie and giving a government sponsored guarantee to high risk loan applicants. They encouraged banks to loan to high risk and minority applicants and guaranteed the loans saying that if they were not paid the government would pay them (through Freddie and Fannie mortgage insurance). So banks went out and loaned money to people who had no business getting loans, people who, if they were evaluated by proven business models, would not have qualified. The market boomed. Housing starts boomed. Housing prices soared. And then, what do you know, the business models proved true and the mortgages went into default.

    Now take your idea Gina and put it into practice. The banks get paid. Now they want to loan that money out again. Why not loan it to high risk applicants. If they don’t pay the government will. The people get their houses, and house starts will boom. Everyone who does not have a house will want one. And they will want bigger and better ones. Why not apply for a loan I can’t afford? If I don’t pay it the government will.

    Then guess what, it crashes again, only bigger this time.

    We cannot continue this cycle. The best option, the only option that really addresses the problem is for the government to do nothing. The bad loans fail. Banks learn to loan money only to people who can pay it back. People loose their homes, and they learn not to borrow more than they can pay.

    We have a program, a safety net for failed mortgages and failed businesses. It’s called bankruptcy! And no one goes to jail (unless they broke laws). We have no debtor prisons and no one is going to sell your children into slavery. Your creditors have to settle for what you have. They learn not to make risky loans. And you get to start over at zero. And hopefully you make wiser choices this time.

    This is a good system and it has worked well for years.
     
  16. Gina B

    Gina B Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2000
    Messages:
    16,944
    Likes Received:
    1
    Thank you for giving a reasoned out answer.

    The question came from watching a news video of a lady who bought a home without a lawyer and didn't bother to read the paperwork. Something called a sub-prime loan...her bill shot up very high, she couldn't pay, the bank is foreclosing.

    Then some lady in charge, dunno if she was the mayor, was encouraging residents to "become squatters in their own homes" and refuse to leave in these cases.

    The idea was that banks and places like FM got/are getting bailed out, many of them getting into the situations very knowingly, flying personal jets to go pick up their money, etc., while people like this lost their homes.

    So I just wondered if it was even reasonable to think such a thing would help.

    I really know nothing about the housing market. The only knowledge I have of it is from an interview I did with a county financial counselor for a story...he spent a couple hours explaining how it all works but I only got the basics and forgot most of them.

    Apparently it wouldn't help to do that either.

    BTW, I don't think that all the people losing their homes are irresponsible. So many companies have had to let decent paid workers go. The stories are all over the place, the people are too. I know people with college degrees that are now working in fast food joints, and it's not because they're lazy...it's because they lost decent paying jobs.
    A previous client of mine lost the main section of his business and people with jobs of 50, 75K were out of work. One of them took a job as a tutor for minimum wage.
    It's not really a fair statement to call people irresponsible for getting into debts. It's a rare person that can save enough money to outright buy a home without making payments, and income isn't guaranteed. Anything can happen, and right now, anything is!
     
  17. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2004
    Messages:
    25,823
    Likes Received:
    1,167
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Sure.

    I'm getting a little old to work 12 hour shifts to pay for my home.

    Can I get a bailout , too?
     
Loading...