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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by John of Japan, Jun 30, 2015.

  1. rsr

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    I generally agreement with JoJ on this one. Wikipedia's greatest value is it citation of sources, which can be a fertile ground for research. The articles themselves should not be relied upon, although they may raise points that need to be studied.

    Several years ago I ran across an article on Primitive Baptists in which Westboro Baptist Church was presented as an exemplar of the Primitives. I attempted to edit the article to point out that most Primitives (at least the ones I know) were appalled by Westboro and did not consider that church to have anything to do with Primitives. My contributions were repeatedly deleted, of course, and I finally gave up.
     
  2. John of Japan

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    That is an excellent illustration of the Achilles heel of Wikipedia. Often it is majority opinion that rules rather than factual information.
     
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    Years ago the "Dead Sea Scrolls" were discovered. A man or small group of men were put in charge and access was denied to everyone else. After several years (in which very limited progress had been made) folks who had photocopies of the scrolls published them. Then all sorts of smart people starting working on them.

    Widespread dissemination of primary sources is the way to go. Light those candles....
     
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    Wiki is unreliable. If they are being used as a source for the purpose of discussion on the subject that is one thing. If they are being used as a source to say "see this is proof of what I am saying therefore I am right" then such use of them is not credible.
     
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    This is how I see it as well.

    Wikipedia is a great place to find footnoted references which one can use as a jumping off point for real research into the subject matter.
     
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    Wikipedia was charged with calling certain documents "manuscripts" rather than "texts." But was a source cited? What if the meaning was general, i.e. any document written before the printing press? Any hand written document.

    Beware of those who find or say they find, some nit or error, and use it to dismiss the entire work or view. No work of man is perfect, especially if alternate definitions are imposed.
     
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    Not a biblical expert, but I am a researcher and I often look at wikipedia for generalities on a topic. I do work with children, however, and I've found it's better to show them how to glean any good out of a mediocre and prolific resource than to leave them to their own resources.
     
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    So it is after all better to light a candle.... Thanks
     
  10. John of Japan

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    Something odd is going on with Wikipedia. For some days now, I haven't been able to access it from either Google Chrome or Internet Explorer. I get an error message:

    en.wikipedia.org normally uses encryption to protect your information. When Chrome tried to connect to en.wikipedia.org this time, the website sent back unusual and incorrect credentials. Either an attacker is trying to pretend to be en.wikipedia.org, or a Wi-Fi sign-in screen has interrupted the connection. Your information is still secure because Chrome stopped the connection before any data was exchanged.

    You cannot visit en.wikipedia.org right now because the website uses HSTS. Network errors and attacks are usually temporary, so this page will probably work later.

    Are they punishing me for this thread? Horrors! :laugh:
     
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    I can access it with Chrome just fine. Clearly they have read this thread and are denying you secure access :)
     
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    Perhaps. I am not able to access many websites --but Wikipedia? No problemo.

    I've never had a problem with Wikipedia. It's a wonderful resource when used with discernment.

    Tell me, do you have any objections to their pages on John R.Rice, Japan or Tennessee Temple?

    As I said, I look mainly at bios, history, science and inventions.
     
  13. John of Japan

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    Don't know about the Japan or Temple pages since I can't access them right now. The John R. Rice page is okay I suppose. (I'm pretty sure my brother wrote it, and as far as I can tell no one has "corrected" it.) :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    I just came from an English faculty meeting where how to grade research papers and what our policies should be were the subjects. All agreed that Wikipedia should never be cited in a paper, but it can give a direction for research when one looks at the sources.
     
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    What about Theopedia then?

    Would say that it is a good starting point to do researching, but jusy ise it to point you to soem real scholarship!
     
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    John, I left teaching just as Wikipedia was becoming an issue.

    The first class was always the "Why do we study history" speech.

    The second class was always about the difference between primary and secondary sources, research.

    The only redeeming value I find in Wikipedia is the little outline they have at the top (and even that's just for inspiration, not to actually use as your outline) and the Bibliography and sources at the bottom.

    For informal things, like when I want to look up information on a song or artist for my show, (should be "wanted", I guess, since I'm not doing the show right now), it's fine. But for academic research, no.
     
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    That is how we seem to all see it here, in that it is good to point us towards much better sources for academic researching, but should not be used exclusively as being "gospel"
     
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    Don't know anything about Theopedia. I'll have to check into it.
     
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    Good comments. Thank you. :wavey:
     
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