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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Ztheberean, Sep 15, 2008.

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  1. Ztheberean

    Ztheberean New Member

    Nov 27, 2006
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    Glorifying God

    How do we glorify God? (Ps 105:3) By making known His deeds to people (105:1), Meaning “His” marvelous works which “He” alone does for His chosen ones (105:5-6); Which are very few (105:12); For many are called (to declare His works) but only few are chosen (Mat 22:14);to THIS labor, this is why the laborers are few (Mat 9:37).

    Do you know His works? If so, then you know that God’s gift to His children is that He creates Christ in them through His workmanship, so that no one would boast (that they brought Christ into themselves which is impossible see Rom 10:6-7) (Eph 2:10-8). ARE YOU SHINING THIS LIGHT IN ITS KNOWLEDGE OF THE GLORY OF GOD TO OTHERS? (2Cor 4:6)

    If so, then you are not handling the word of God deceitfully because you have received mercy so that you can manifest this truth (2Cor 4:2-1); these are troubled, and persecuted for this message because they are preaching Christ the Lord and not anything of themselves because they are servants for Jesus’ sake through the power of God, not themselves (2Cor 9-8, 5, 7).

    ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THESE WONDERFUL WORKS THAT ARE OF GOD, AND NOT OF US? (Ps 105:2) If NOT, the word of the LORD has not tried you enough to let you go (Ps 105:19); so that you can teach others THIS wisdom (Ps 105:22). Foolish people are those who do not have understanding (Jer 5:21); And, this is because they do not have the fear of the Lord (5:22).

    The fear of the Lord hates the evil in all of its PRIDE THAT SAYS “YOU” already have wisdom, and council (Prov 8:13-14); We should know that those who are in “their own way, will, and work only have the wrath of the Lord against them (Ps 106:39-40).

    Those who are in “their own way” ARE wicked believers who are an abomination (in the sight of God) (Ez 33:8 with 16:47); Again, those who are into “their own way” are wicked believers who need to be WARNED that (if they don’t ASK God) to turn them they shall die in “their own iniquity” (Ez 33:9).

    These are the same believers who may do wonderful works in the name of Jesus, and even teach in His name, however these cannot do the will of the Heavenly Father (Mat 7:22-21); And this is because they still have “their own will” present within them, so they cannot do anything good (Rom 7:18). These are wretched believers who need deliverance (7:24) so that Jesus won’t have to say to them, “Depart from me, I never knew YOU, you worker of iniquity.” (Mat 7:23).

    (Acts 3:26, Titus 2:14)

    In order to have true biblical understanding (which is called the holy;- Prov 9:10); we need the word of God taught unto us with meaning (understanding), Paul said that it IS better to have “FIVE” words of understanding than to speak “ten thousand” words without meaning (1Cor 14:19).

    The truth reveals the GRACE of God at work (Col 1:6); and without subjecting ourselves to this teaching of GRACE, God says that we are in ABOMINATION because we are in “our own will be done” (Ez 16:47, cf Ts 2:11-12).

    In order for us to have obedience from our hearts, WE MUST BE TAUGHT THIS DOCTRINE (Rom 6:17); Without which GOD sends a STRONG DELUSION so that we believe a LIE rather than this truth for our salvation (2Thess 2:11-10).

    (Lk 8:11)

    Those on the “WAYSIDE GROUND” hear these words and the devil comes in and immediately takes these words away so that people can’t believe and be saved (Lk 8:12).

    Those on the “ROCK” are those who hear these words with joy, but because they have no root (this truth richly dwelling within them) they can only believe for awhile, because when they experience temptation they fall away (Lk 8:13).

    Those on “THORNS” are they which hear these words, but they are choked out of them by the “cares and pleasures” of this life and they cannot bring forth the perfected fruit
    (Lk 8:14).

    Those on the “GOOD GROUND” are they which are honest, having heard these words keep them (through disclosure, and meditation) so that they would have (God given) patience to learn how to bring forth (perfected) fruit (Lk 8:15).
  2. Bob Dudley

    Bob Dudley New Member

    Mar 2, 2006
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    Not really sure what your whole post is about (I'm working on my Hebrew homework and didn't really give it a good read). I just wanted to answer the question you posed as the title of the thread.
    Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. (John 15:8)

    Bottom line... (to paraphrase Bob Jones Senior): win them, win them, though the stars fall, win them.

    To glorify God win thousands to Christ!

    (OK, back to my homework)
  3. Major B

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    May 6, 2003
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    Where in the scripture do we find "fruit" defined as souls led to Christ?

    Fruit is Obedience, holiness, Christlikeness.

    —Mat 7:13-27

    (John 15:2) ""Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit."

    (John 15:4-5) ""Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. 5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing."

    (John 15:8) ""By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples."

    (John 15:16) ""You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you."

    (Rom 6:21-22) "What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life."

    (Rom 7:4-5) "Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another; to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death."

    (Gal 5:22) "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,"

    (Eph 5:9) "(for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth),"

    (Phil 4:17) "Not that I seek the gift, but I seek the fruit that abounds to your account."

    (Col 1:6) "which has come to you, as it has also in all the world, and is bringing forth fruit, as it is also among you since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth;"

    (Heb 12:11) "Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it."

    (Heb 13:15) "Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name."

    (James 3:18) "Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace."

    So what is it to Glorify God?
    (1 Cor 6:18-20) "Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's."
    (1 Cor 10:31) "Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God."
    #3 Major B, Sep 15, 2008
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  4. Bob Dudley

    Bob Dudley New Member

    Mar 2, 2006
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    Hi Major B.

    Great word study on "fruit." Thanks.

    I think I still stand by my statement. I think the verses you pointed out tell us the whys and hows of fruit bearing. But not what the fruit of the Christian actually is. The one set of verses in Galatians and Ephesians are good for telling us what the fruit of the Holy Spirit consists of but not the fruit of a Christian.

    I think Proverbs 11:30 tells us explicitly what the fruit of a Christian is:

    The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.

    I agree with you that we DO need to be obedient, holy and Christlike. I just think that if we stop there we become very me-centric Christians while the world around us goes to hell.

    The argument could also be made that being Christlike is to be a soul winner: (Luke 19:10) Christ came specifically to seek and to save the lost.

    Also, there are about 30 references to growth of the church and witnessing in the book of Acts (thousands being saved, multitudes being saved, whole cities being saved). I think the early church took Christlikenes and obedience as equivalent to winning the lost to Christ.

    Sorry it took so long to get back to you on this. It has been a very crazy summer.
  5. TomVols

    TomVols New Member

    Oct 30, 2000
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    This is more appropriate for Theology/Bible study.
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