How do we know that God loves everybody?

rbell · Aug 8, 2006

xdx,

You still must reconcile your thoughts with John 3:16 and Romans 5:8, as were mentioned earlier.

Chris L. · Aug 9, 2006

xdisciplex said:

@ scarlett

I know what you mean and in this example I think you're right about the meaning of hate but this doesn't work in all cases such as this one. Look at this one. Here hate really means hate.

Psa 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
I mean where is the sense of trying to give the word hate another meaning?
But if God hates the wicked ones then he also must have hated me before I become a christian? But if he hated me then why did he even make me become a christian?
This also makes no sense.
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A person who loves violence and is wicked couldn't be someone who is saved could he? A person who was made righteous in Gods eyes must obviously be saved wouldn't he?

Were all sinners to a certain degree, but there are far worse sinners than others. The difference between the two is one repents and works to change his ways, while the other does not. Some of us don't try to change the meaning of the Bible. Hate means hate in most cases. Do you have a problem with this? Do you think that a human can experience and emotion that God doesn't know about or can understand?

So tell me, if you take the Bible at face value and come to the conclusion that God can indeed hate, does this really bother you? Would it damage your faith, if you even have faith? If your right with God you don't need to worry about. If Gods chooses to hate something than it is his Holy and just right to do so.

Stop worrying about what others say and do and work to please God.

Scarlett O. · Aug 9, 2006

pinoybaptist said:

(A.) No amount of watering down the meaning of the word hate can mean it to be any other but an emotion of intense dislike, a detesting of someone or something.

(B.)...but what if he titled his website "God hates sodomy" or "God hates homosexuality", will we even raise an eyebrow ?

(C.) I just could not understand, even when I was Arminian, how God could love the world and all mankind, send his Son to save "all mankind", and then, in the end, destroy the world He says He loves, and punish men who do not accept His work in Christ.[/quote]

(A.) I did not water down the meaning of the word hate. Certainly, there are places in the bible where "hate" means a scornful despising or intensely "unloved". Luke 14:26 is obviously not one of them. And it is my understanding that Malachi 1:2-3 is not one of the either.

(B.) But Fred Phelps didn't say "God hates sodomy". Sodomy is practice or a "lifestyle". "Fags" are people. Yes, God hates sodomy. But Fred Phelps didn't say that. He didn't say that God hates sin. Fred Phelps says that God hates Americans, Canadians, and homosexuals. His claim is that God hates humanity. You are right. No one would blink an eye if he simply said, "God hates homosexuality." But that isn't what he said.

(C.) Brother, I hope that you didn't become a Calvinist just to make the bible "fit" your belief system. That's awfully dangerous territory for anybody.....C's, A's, denomination jumpers, preacher followers,.....And just because you don't understand how God could allow part of his creation that he loved to enter hell does not mean that it is not so.

It called God's justice.

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