How do you determine God's 'word'?

My 1st signature verse historically has been understood in 2 ways. Does it mean (1) the reader's interpretation, or does it mean (2) the prophet's interpretation? It comes down to the meaning of a single Greek 'word' and I chose the understanding of #1 by the following method:

1. Comparing the translations I've come to trust, keeping in mind the mindset of the translation committee: KJV-ASV-RSV-NRSV and then the U.K. NEB-REB, the NEB not being a revision. These were in agreement on 1, yet some versions by individuals I respect (Wey-YLT) translated as 2. I found most modern versions by American evangelicals embrace translation in agreement with 2. But, I have less confidence in the modern evangelical versions.
2. Respecting that God set spirit filled teachers in His church, I scoured all the commentaries and theology texts I could find that discussed 2 Pet.1:19-21. I found a mix of views here but very good discussion with various points raised.
3. On text itself it came down to what the Greek behind "is" means. [No Clinton jokes please]. The Greek is ginomai and the BDAG reads under 9.d: "Here perh. belongs ἰδίας ἐπιλύσεως οὐ γίνεται it is not a matter of private interpretation 2 Pt 1:20." BUT, other lexicons have other views.
4. More important than a lexicon is how a biblical writer uses a particular word. I checked Peter's use of ginomai and paid most attention to 2 Peter since its Greek is supposed to be more formal. I incline to "is" not "comes" as I review Peter's use.
5. I look at the thought flow in context and I believe my choice is the correct one and it seems so clear in context as in the NEB:

"19 All this only confirms for us the message of the prophets, to which you will do well to attend, because it is like a lamp shining in a murky place, until the day breaks and the morning star rises to illuminate your minds.
20 BUT FIRST NOTE this: no one can interpret any prophecy of Scripture by himself. 21 For it was not through any human whim that men prophesied of old; men they were, but, impelled by the Holy Spirit, they spoke the words of God.
1 But Israel had false prophets as well as true; and you likewise will have false teachers among you. They will import disastrous heresies, disowning the very Master who bought them, and bringing swift disaster on their own heads." (2Pet.1:19-2:1 NEB)[Peter brings in false interpretation of teachers in 3:16.]
The NEB is available at: katapi dot org dot uk

I know sincere, regenerated men of God of high scholarship take the other view than I have and I'm sure they will give input and I will surely refine some and learn. That's what it's all about! May God bless this effort to share.

 

Van, I respect your view and find many fine men of God, past and present hold that. I scanned Peter's use of ginomai using only the KJV. In comparing the verse in question, I did stick to the KJV tradition up through the ASV, RSV & NRSV and to gather a view apart from American evangelicalism, I went to the U.K. NEB & REB and find all 6 agree on 2Pt.1:20. My choice of translations spanned 1611/1769 through 1989 and these translations are the ones I've come to trust more over the years and I like the NEB since it is not a revision of an earlier translation, but a totally new and fresh translation. The final decision for me was two things. V19 refers to what is clearly the Spirit of Christ working in the heart and mind.. then V21 speaks of it as not man's whim that produced Scripture, but this same Spirit of Christ. To me, why would V21 repeat if it was already stated in V20? It flows better to my mind, to see V20 showing that the interpreter must have the same Spirit as seen in V19 and V21. I imagine we would end up believing the same thing: 1, we must have the illumination of the Spirit to understand Scripture; 2, we must compare Spirit inspired Scripture with Spirit inspired Scripture; 3, we must value the past teachers God has placed into the body of Christ and recognize that the church as been indwelt by the same Spirit so if we depart from the historic faith, we should do a second look to see if we are going off track.

Back to how I view translations, I know any translation is influenced by the mind set and culture in which it was produced, even the KJV itself. So, I try to determine which mindset and culture is going to distort a particular passage and render it according to human bias. So, I reject the RSV & NRSV on Zech. 12:10, for instance but the NEB & REB are good there. I reject the modern American evangelical versions on Ex.21:22 and find the RSV, NRSV, NEB & REB stayed with the historical understanding on that. Van, it is nice we are retired, but I see I'm going to have to budget my time better or I'll get nothing done but these postings. :laugh:

 

I know many think of the RCC claiming that they wrote the Bible and only they have the infallible interpretation thereof. So, men past and present react against that foolishness, properly so, and I think that influences a lot of bias on 2Pt.1:20. I also note how that in the mid-1800s, sects began to flourish and what seems to be an unbiblical individuality took place in Bible interpretation. I believe a lot of this idea "I'll believe what I wish" emphasis has brought about an endorsement of the rejection of the KJV rendering of the verse. I also have the computer NET Bible with the full notes as you quoted and find them helpful at times, especially on Jn 10:30, but obviously I do not follow them on this verse. :smilewinkgrin:

 

The name "Dr. Wallace" does not ring a bell for me. There are a couple of other statements made that incline me to our "interpretation" view in v20. Peter's discussion continues to state:

"In the past there were also false prophets among the people, just as you also will have false teachers among you. They will introduce their destructive views..."(2Pet 2:1, REB)

I view vs19-21 referring to the OT in the immediate context then in 2Pt2:1 we see those old false prophets alongside the coming "false teachers", which to me means those who twist the words of the existing Scripture, so we know the prophecies given were God inspired, so we must watch for how those Scriptures are interpreted. Then Peter goes on later and equates Paul's writings to the other Scriptures and warns about twisted interpretation of the Scriptures:

"Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience is an opportunity for salvation, as Paul, our dear friend and brother, said when he wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him. He does the same in all his other letters, wherever he speaks about this, though they contain some obscure passages, which the ignorant and unstable misinterpret to their own ruin, as they do the other scriptures." (2Pet 3:15-16, REB)

Both the NEB & REB Oxford Study Bibles reference this passage 3:16 in the annotations as explaining the intent of 2:20.

 

Thanks! So, he was a head man working on the NET Bible, which I understand was in large part translated by DTS men. I did not follow much the men of DTS after Hal Lindsey and his "Late Great Planet Earth". :laugh: I'm joking, I understand that some good scholarship comes out of Dallas.

 

Van, you agree with the old 18th century Calvinist, John Gill on that. So, at least you are in good company. :thumbs: The old Puritan Matthew Poole, 17th century gives both views with with my understanding as #1. So yes, we've pretty much thrashed this one out as far as we can go.