How does OSAS fail the Sola Scriptura Test?

1. Matthew Henry offers a circular argument thus his solution fails at the start. The parable warns those who HAVE been forgiven about the danger of not forgiving others AS they HAVE been forgiven - and thus losing that forgiveness. Matt Henry stands the parable on its head AS IF the parable was to the servant who HAD NOT BEEN FORGIVEN anything by the king - but merely claimed to have been forgiven when in fact the King never forgave him and never hoped that the servant would in like manner NOT FORGIVE others just as the servant had NOT been forgiven by the king.

What a distorted solution to cling to ..

2. You do not actually quote the text - because the details of the text do not fit the man made tradition of OSAS - and that is more than a little instructive.

32 ""Then summoning him, his lord said to him, "You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me.
33 " Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?'
34 ""And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him.

35 "" My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.''

In the Matthew Henry rewrite of this passage it would say "You wicked slave - I did NOT forgive you ANY of that debt when you pleaded with me - should you have done to others as I did to you? never? you should have been forgiving to others unlike Me who was unforgiving of you!"

What a wrench-and-bend of the Bible details all in service to OSAS.

I find it hard to believe that anyone takes it seriously after reading the text objectively.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Jesus said that in relation to the ministry of being an apostle given to the 12. There is no question in the 1Cor 12 model, that God is the one that selects the specific ministry of each of the saints.

But the call to salvation is "to whosoever will" and in Rom 2:11-13 "God is not partial" as we see in 2Peter 3 "God is not willing that any should perish but that ALL should come to repentance" and as we see in John 3:16 "God so loved the WORLD.. that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish" for "with the heart man believes RESULTING in Righteousness and with the mouth he confesses RESULTING in salvation" Romans 10.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Your avoidance of the text of scripture to resort instead to merely insulting the one posting - is "noted".

But for those who imagine that dark ages practice of ad hominem insults is a better form of sola scriptura testing than actually looking at the text of scripture - I would suggest a moment or two of prayerful reflection. Anybody can simply sling insults instead of looking at some inconvenient detail in scripture. No special talent to that - we could all resort to it if so inclined.

By their fruits you will know them.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Originally Posted by annsni
I disagree with your interpretation of that scripture.

Matthew Henry says of this passage "We are not to suppose that God actually forgives men, and afterwards reckons their guilt to them to condemn them; but this latter part of the parable shows the false conclusions many draw as to their sins being pardoned, though their after-conduct shows that they never entered into the spirit, or experienced the sanctifying grace of the gospel."

Ok - so now that is failed solution #2.

Matthew Henry suggest that the fully forgiven servant that fails to forgive others is judged for failing to be grateful for the full forgiveness he recieved - thus showing that he did not receive full forgiveness from the king and therefore had no basis on which he could forgive others.

Walter than takes a swing at it - claiming that outside of Gospel forgiveness God also forgives us earthly temporal debts and then revokes that forgiveness if we do not forgive others their temporal debts that they owe us - thus tossing all into literal earthly jail when Christ said "SO shall my Father do to each one of you if you do not forgive others"...

Hint - Observing that in fact God does not toss everyone into earthly jail when they fail to forgive one another - is left as a trivial exercise for the reader.

Turns out - the Gospel is the only basis for forgiveness from God - and this is a pretty hard lesson for the OSAS group.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Mary, Martha, Lazarus, Mary the Mother of Jesus, the 70 disciples that Jesus sent out on their Missionary journey etc - were all NOT at the John 15 meeting. Thus Christ is talking about choosing them as apostles - and is not claiming that they were the ones "chosen to believe in Christ".

At no point in all of scripture does Christ say "I chose you to believe in Me".

But what he does say "Come to Me ALL who are weary and heavy ladened" Matt 11.

But what he does say is "I stand at the DOOR and knock - if anyone hears my voice AND OPENS the door I WILL come in" Rev 3:20.
in Christ,

Bob